highway with off road?
 

I ran low in my 98' dodge on highway diesel fuel so i just took some off road fuel from the farm barrel. My buddy said that mixing highway and off road is hard on injectors. Do you guys know if thats true?

The only difference I know of here in Tx... is if DOT dips your tank.:pca1:

The only difference is the color. If DOT catches you with it in a highway vehicle the fine can be in the thousands:scare2:

ya my dad got caught with off road in his 95 ford, bout a $2000 dollar fine:scare2: Not good so i don't think i wana run it too long like that

Some states require that dealers, lube shops, and other licenced repair facilities report the presence of red dye if it is discovered during thier work, or they also face a fine. Have never used it but i hear it dyes everything and takes forever to come out.

"I swear officer it musta been the guy who owned the truck b-4 me":w2:

In N.C. it is a hugh fine close to 5 figures for each "incident" caught. I have been told by my friend that is a DMV inspector, that the only differance is the dye used for tax reasons. I have a farm and have always been tempted to just take it from the fuel station on my farm....

Yeah, NC is very tough on it. Numerous times I have had my tank dipped. It dyes everything in your system.

I've watched diesel tanks fill up many-a tank... and it's the same diesel.. then they dump the red dye in... and that's the end of it.

I got dipped after running red off-road for about a month last year (off-road on a family members farm) and even five months later the residue was still in my system, thank god I had a fuel leak at the time and he saw it dripping normal diesel.

offroad diesel has a higher sulfer content then regular premium diesel. plus obviously its not taxed so no road use. although i have been known to pull up to the offroad diesel pump and just stick it in my filler neck, risky i know but they dont check alot here in michigan. its pretty much all i run in my truck, that or trans fluid :tu:

there is no sulfur difference between dyed diesel and non dyed....and it will stay in the system for a while.

There's no difference... unless you order a non #2.. it's the same.. the only difference is the dye.

Down here in New Mexico i've ran red fuel and nothing else for 6 years and havent got caught yet (knock on wood) we run it on the ranch and burn around 1500 gallons a month and the delivery guys say its the same thing as hiway, that they add the dye after they load it on the truck and that is comes out the same tank as the hiway fuel

we get home heating oil delivered here to my shop for heating purpuses and i do use it to top off my diesel forklift. asked the delivery driver one day. says on and off are same fuel, just dyed. home heating oil is still low sulfur by what he said.if thats true, no wunder the old forkilft hasnt had any fuel issues!

Have a friend down here in S. NM, he filled his PU with off road diesel when he was filling up his farm tractors, he was dipped and fined $10,000.

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Trans fluid is a no no in a modern Cummins.

ive been told the fine can be up to 1000 dollars a GALLON, so for us long bed guys that could be up to a 35,000 dollar fine!

ive run it in my truck before and if the fuel prices keep goin up i will be again. when fuel was like 5.00 a gallon a few years ago my truck never saw the non-dyed fuel. its the exact same fuel though only dye in it. its ULSD too just with dye

^Yep, it's just dyed to show that no taxes paid on it. I've had it mixed but that's just because I was running our off-road diesel when I ran it in the pasture before I put insurance on the truck. When I finally did put insurance on the truck so I could drive it on the hwy., I still had some off-road in it. That was several tanks ago, so all legal now.

offroad diesel is same as highway diesel justed dyed & if ya get cuaght putting in your truck is a $1000 fine per gallon

Not to mention loosing your truck....:scare2:

ive never heard of them taking your truck, unless u refuse to let them dip your tank, then they will impound it. i got a friend that got fined 18k for running it in his beginning of 2010.

Ok, Here is Michigan's penalty...this is direct from the Michigan Legislature website...
Michigan Legislature - Section 207.1122

It is section 3

Ok so just for fun here I used to work in a shop who had red diesel for "shop diesel" for parts washing filling fuel filters during a service ect ect

I have changed hundreds of fuel filters and filled them with red die by the time they leave the shop and I parked them in there spot there was NO color in the tank or in the filter still to this day I keep red die in my shop for use in filters and such

As far as guys telling you that DOT will cut open your filters thats BS and they will only fine for a % of red in the tank say if you filled up with red 35 gal and then filed up with clear twice at 32 gal each fill up the % of red in your tank will be minimal

I dont remember the % is where you can get busted for but I think it was 15%-18%
they have a little scale that they use to tell how dark it is

in a dodge at 5 gal of red it takes about 3-5 tanks to completely flush out

This is how I know...... :D

I got popped about 6 months ago in the woods I had a 100 fuel tank in the back and 5 gal of red in my tank and I told them that I was getting low up there and put in a few gallons to get back to town and showed them my fuel receipt from the day before I was let go with a STERN warning......

but little did they know is that was a full tank of red and a fuel receipt for another truck :ha:

but after that I dont run it in the tank no more its not worth saving $0.20 a gal now for $1000 + later

One of the farmers got caught last year and it cost him over $10K on top of the state revenue office came to his place and IIRC they made him pay road tax on all fuel on the 5500 gallons of diesel in the farm fuel tank along with some other costly penalties.

i got pulled over for the first time in my own town by a dot kid fresh out of training. this is in western new york just so you know. he checked the tractor and told me that he was goin to dip the tank. i told him if he wanted to climb up and open the fuel cap with the tractor running he could be my guest but i was goin to have my lil camera phone rollin when he did. needless to say he didnt.

Mikeyjj why did that stop him?


How does the dip test work for guys who ad a bottle of ATF to their tank. Most all ATF I've seen is red. Wouldn't that put a red die in the fuel?

it was a farm tractor with a manure spreader on the back his arguement was that i was on a state road. my arguement was it was farm equipment and there is a do not open while exhaust is hot sign on the fuel tank.

Ahh that's what I was wondering. I thought all farm equipment was tax exempt on fuel unless it's a licensed vehicle. Meaning it wouldn't matter what kinda fuel it has.

Anyone know what they do with red ATF or a dark Motor oil mix?

his snitfit was over that it was a state highway and when i pulled out from the stop sign it put out alil black smoke. not a cloud just alil puff. 20 tons of crap is alil heavy on a 200 horse tractor startin out on a 7% grade. he claimed that if any motorized object traveled farther than 3/4 of a mile on a state highway or state maintained road it has to run road fuel. And we were haulin it alil over a mile. then he told me he was goin to dip the tank while the tractor was still runnin. thats when i told him to be my guest but if anything happened i was goin to have it on camera. it was one of those wierd foriegn tractors that had the exhaust about 8 inchs from the fuel cap.

Dot tank dipping?
 

From where I sit, the possibility of any DOT dipping a non-commercial vehicles fuel tank is extremely remote. What would they do if you had black diesel fuel in your tank? Its not an approved fuel either???

Mike

i dont know about black diesel or atf dying the fuel but i add some 2stroke oil(usaully blue)to change the color from red

I can pack 42+ gallons on mine, LOL.

the only thing it'll hurt is yer wallet if you get dipped....

Yall r exactly right i use to work in the petroleum. Industry n i will b there first to tell u they r the same. Now when i used to getthe old industrial tanks i had to rebiuld that had old school high sulfur thats were the power came from. Used to fill up drums n take them home god i miss that

Heres the deal on and off road diesel are the same the only difference is the dye but however home heating oil is not the same it is not ultra low sulfar it has more cetane in it which is like octane to gas so there for home heating oil is the way to go atleast in the older trucks like 7.3 and 5.9 not so much in the newer trucks like 6.0 6.4 etc with home heating you get better fuel milage more power just dont get caught or it will cost you $$$$$

ive always heard it had more sulfer. the way I understood it is its a #2 diesel and not a #1like normal on road. but what are you guys talking about running trans fluid in your tank. i don't want to sound stupid but wouldn't that cost alot more or is that just an additive to make everything red. And have you ever heard of people running used motor oil.

At one time off road diesel did have a higher sulfur content but since late 2010 both off road and on road diesel are the same ULSD. As for heating oil in most areas of the country heating oil is #2 diesel.

I've heard people swear by atf or used motor oil as an additive to lube injectors and improve fuel economy. Newer emissions systems or injectors might not respond so well and the red color of atf could cause problems.

you are actually correct on the sulfur red fuel is about 30ppm I have a fried that has ran red fuel in his truck since new he has about 450k on it now and has never had any pump injector issues and for a 7.3 that is great to have that many miles and to have the injector pump fail

now if only there was a way to turn it back to green again.... who wants to figure something out and get rich with me? lol :humm:

On and off road diesel are the exact same thing except off road is dyed red :s:

how about a carbon filter?

i have heard of adding sulfuric acid to the fuel but i would never run that in my truck

also UV light/sun light is supposed to break down the dye. read it takes about a week sitting in the sun

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another thought

for Solvent Red 164 (diesel dye) heating the fuel to 270F should boil it out

dont know what the boiling point of Solvent Red 26 (another diesel dye) is though

although this would probably negate the price difference