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frosty4227 04-25-2011 01:06 AM

compound help!
 
i am doing a compoud setup on my w250, now my friend wants me to go with a hx35 or s300 over a k31, but i want to do a he351ve or the k31. will the 351 hold up? will my dp be safe or will it be too much for the 351? and will the 351 flow as much air as a hx35 or s300? i just figured that because the 351 has the billet 60mm compressor wheel which i am pretty sure is the same as the s300? why not go with the 351 for its vgt ability. i hope you guys can help. thank you :tu:

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or are there any other top turbo's that you guys know of that are budget oriented/ under $500 that would work? a garret off a 96 powerstroke for instance? is using the he351 and just fixing the vains to a certain size would be a cheap way of copying a s300?

dieseldawg 04-26-2011 01:22 AM

get a he351cw and be done with the vane buisness

frosty4227 04-26-2011 01:27 AM

550
 

Originally Posted by dieseldawg (Post 745181)
get a he351cw and be done with the vane buisness

they flow enough to support my 550 rwhp mission?

Cody Cummins 04-26-2011 02:53 AM

Re: compound help!
 
Id go with an hx35 spooling an s400 im making about the same power as you and they do great and the setup is pretty snappy

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RAW 04-26-2011 07:51 AM

Yep, a HX35/S400 combo work very well!
https://www.dieselbombers.com/5-9l-2...urbos-2-a.html

dieseldawg 04-26-2011 08:16 PM

the 351 flows about as much as a hx40! hx35 has a 3 inch dp as the 351 has 4 inch
dont know why anyone would use a hx35 if they had the choice to go with a 351??
am i missing somthing???

SNOOT 04-26-2011 08:18 PM

Just pull the trigger any of the set-ups you choose will be better then a single...:c: My personal choice is S300 next to a S400 frame as there is so many different exhaust housing and wheels available if you choice to change things up..

If your goal is 550HP your going to need more then just twin turbos. Have you considered all the other things that go with making that kind of HP level on a VE pump?

dieseldawg 04-26-2011 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by SNOOT (Post 745677)
Just pull the trigger any of the set-ups you choose will be better then a single...:c:

tru dat!! hahaha my best gangster impression!! i know i know im good!!

SNOOT 04-26-2011 08:26 PM

Pretty sure the smile on his face with twins will last at least a month.. That is till he spoons his trans. :pca1:

Its a 1ST GEN truck its like having a rat rod ... No one makes poop for it you just put a bunch of stuff together run a couple of hoses here and there and turn the key.

BC847 04-26-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SNOOT (Post 745677)
If your goal is 550HP your going to need more then just twin turbos. Have you considered all the other things that go with making that kind of HP level on a VE pump?

-> Hear what SNOOT says!

Don't think for one minute that power level comes without a cost .. . . . over and above what it costs to build the complete engine. :s:

I'm in the final stages of a 48RH build for my mess to get similar power to the ground without busting a gut. Attachment 41965

You've already mentions the words "budget oriented". . . . . . oops.


But it is fun to take a 6400lb cinder block on 33's and run a high 12 second 1/4 mile pass. The silly ricer in the other lane ~ "Y'all watch me blister this old guy and his stupid farm truck", never sees it coming. :tttt:

dieseldawg 04-26-2011 10:07 PM

bc thats one of the best feelings ever!! haha
and i dont have half the truck you do!! it must be nice!!!!

RAW 04-26-2011 11:23 PM


the 351 flows about as much as a hx40! hx35 has a 3 inch dp as the 351 has 4 inch
dont know why anyone would use a hx35 if they had the choice to go with a 351??
am i missing somthing???
The 4" outlet will only help if you have a 4" hot pipe. If the hot pipe is 3", a 4" outlet means little. Already having a HX35 makes the price right.

dieseldawg 04-27-2011 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by RAWilliams (Post 745833)
The 4" outlet will only help if you have a 4" hot pipe. If the hot pipe is 3", a 4" outlet means little. Already having a HX35 makes the price right.

who already has the hx??
how hard is it to fab up a hot pipe??
do i detect a little turbo envy?? hahaha

RSWORDS 04-27-2011 08:34 PM

Snoot And BC847 are VERY smart when it comes to these things.


Originally Posted by BC847 (Post 745751)
You've already mentions the words "budget oriented". . . . . . oops.

Yep, Budget an 550+ HP Ve don't go together at all. :D

SNOOT 04-27-2011 10:17 PM

lol Thanks RSWORDS.. Its tough just getting to the 400HP level with these trucks let alone 550HP.

Really though its not going to make a huge difference what turbos you use to get 550HP. It will be more about the injection pump and transmission you have.

There are a lot of twins sets out there using the good old HX-35 and a 3" hot pipe that make 550HP. Not sure how many VE trucks there are but lots of P pumped and VP trucks.:pca1:

frosty4227 04-27-2011 11:20 PM

the plan
 
heres whats getting done to my truck, 14mm ve, twins, manual trans with a pulling dual disk from sb, doubler, 4.10 gears, 14 bolt rear, 60 front, 100-150 injectors, head studs, valve springs, intake, intercooler, .84 injector lines, 150+ fuel pump, draw straw or bottom sump,bigger fuel lines,fluid damper, water meth, ported/polished head, if there is anything i am missing please let me know. and yes i know you cant build 500+ hp on a budget but i am fabing, installing, and doing all the work myself so it saves me alot on the cost. and having friends who conpete in truck pulling also helps quit a bit lol. i work a lot of hours so money aint much of a issue. its the time to put ithis all together thats hard to find lol. you guys probably know how that is.

RAW 04-28-2011 12:15 AM


who already has the hx??
Many truck come equipped with HX35's.

how hard is it to fab up a hot pipe??
Obviously you've never tried or researched it.

do i detect a little turbo envy?? hahaha
Hell no! I have a proven system that cost me $700, and makes 50 PSI of boost with the chip off.:tttt:

Cody Cummins 04-28-2011 12:40 AM

Re: compound help!
 

Originally Posted by frosty4227 (Post 746326)
heres whats getting done to my truck, 14mm ve, twins, manual trans with a pulling dual disk from sb, doubler, 4.10 gears, 14 bolt rear, 60 front, 100-150 injectors, head studs, valve springs, intake, intercooler, .84 injector lines, 150+ fuel pump, draw straw or bottom sump,bigger fuel lines,fluid damper, water meth, ported/polished head, if there is anything i am missing please let me know. and yes i know you cant build 500+ hp on a budget but i am fabing, installing, and doing all the work myself so it saves me alot on the cost. and having friends who conpete in truck pulling also helps quit a bit lol. i work a lot of hours so money aint much of a issue. its the time to put ithis all together thats hard to find lol. you guys probably know how that is.

Man if only i had your money...

Sent from my HTC Evo

dieseldawg 04-28-2011 01:31 AM


Originally Posted by RAWilliams (Post 746350)
Many truck come equipped with HX35's.

:pca1: how many 1st gen's came with hx-35s? :pca1:



Obviously you've never tried or researched it.

no i have never made a hot pipe your right!!
pipe work is easy! have you ever tried??
hes doing his own fab work so im sure he knows what hes doing!

Hell no! I have a proven system that cost me $700, and makes 50 PSI of boost with the chip off.:tttt:

my free turbo makes 50# no prob!! now keeping my head gasket in there thats fun!!
i got all sorts of chips in my truck!!
doritos lays fritos whos knows what else is under my seat! haha

seems to me like he frosty wants to actually build his own truck not just buy a bunch of parts and throw them on there!

RAW 04-28-2011 06:23 AM


seems to me like he frosty wants to actually build his own truck not just buy a bunch of parts and throw them on there!
I guess you didn't look at my thread on my turbos them. I fabbed it myself, with a little help from a welding buddy fro the Hot Pipe.
Clean your truck.

RSWORDS 04-28-2011 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by frosty4227 (Post 746326)
heres whats getting done to my truck, 14mm ve, twins, manual trans with a pulling dual disk from sb, doubler, 4.10 gears, 14 bolt rear, 60 front, 100-150 injectors, head studs, valve springs, intake, intercooler, .84 injector lines, 150+ fuel pump, draw straw or bottom sump,bigger fuel lines,fluid damper, water meth, ported/polished head, if there is anything i am missing please let me know. and yes i know you cant build 500+ hp on a budget but i am fabing, installing, and doing all the work myself so it saves me alot on the cost. and having friends who conpete in truck pulling also helps quit a bit lol. i work a lot of hours so money aint much of a issue. its the time to put ithis all together thats hard to find lol. you guys probably know how that is.

Those injectors wont be big enough, don't bother with the larger lines and your going to need to dual feed that pump. Keep us updated and start a build thread! :U:

RSWORDS 04-28-2011 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by SNOOT (Post 746281)
lol Thanks RSWORDS.. Its tough just getting to the 400HP level with these trucks let alone 550HP.

Really though its not going to make a huge difference what turbos you use to get 550HP. It will be more about the injection pump and transmission you have.

There are a lot of twins sets out there using the good old HX-35 and a 3" hot pipe that make 550HP. Not sure how many VE trucks there are but lots of P pumped and VP trucks.:pca1:

Tell me about it, After all that work I did to get mine to 450 I sold it... :D Now I got another one to start on that I'm looking for 400 streetable horse power.

dieseldawg 04-28-2011 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by RAWilliams (Post 746423)
I guess you didn't look at my thread on my turbos them. I fabbed it myself, with a little help from a welding buddy fro the Hot Pipe.
Clean your truck.

clean my truck!! hahaha

NEVER!!! hahaha

frosty4227 04-28-2011 03:16 PM

w250
 
you are right about me building my own truck, i cant stand watching someone else wrench on my truck let alone paying them to do it. i know the non i/c have head cracking issues so what i think i will do is to buy a second motor from a intercooled first gen. build it outside the truck on a engine stand then when the time comes ill swap it in and keep the original as a spare i can put in if something goes wrong with this one. i do not make crazy money a hour, i make min wage but, i am young, live at home, and work almost full time so the money collects in my account faster than usual. really i want my build to be unique, most the time unique causes issues because of parts becoming custom made and what not. will i be doing aluminum heads? heck no, at least not at 6k a pop. but putting in pistons, connecting rods, cam, stroker crank, gapless piston rings, aftermarket bearings and bolts, the first box on the checklist to cover is the drivability and reliability area, then hp and torque, then paint/body and sound. i think diesel bombers is a awesome website with tons of knoweldge to be learned by listening to others. when i first got my truck it was bone stock, and i had no idea diesels could blow black smoke, make crazy horsepower and torque, and all the other great amazing stuff diesel fuel can do. but now because of you guys i got a truck that i have built myself and will continue to build myself, it destroys most gassers around and is cool to look and and say i built that. i thank all of you guys on here for helping me and hopefully continue to help me with my build. whether ya think i am for real or not. ill start up a build thread hopefully tonight. do you guys know which i/c engine from a first gen is the best one to start tearing apart?

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what injectors would you recomend? should i call scheid diesel or ponci's? i want the fuel to be sprayed directly into the bowl, so its as effecient as possible


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