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i have 100hp injectors. the high out put injection pump, quadzilla adrinaline. i want to be able to use all this fuel and not smoke one bit from start to finish. is it ppsible? and how do i do it. i have a 351 vgt turbo on my truck now.. its broke i'm going to look into getting it repaired but if i have to buy a new turbo i want to get exactly what i want. 40psi cleans my smoke up in later rpms.

I don't think you will ever not smoke at low Rpms.:humm:

Too much fuel and too big of turbo.

I'm completely smokeless now.

* RV275's Injectors
* BHAF
* Edge Comp (5x3)
* Stock HX35W Turbo

The problem is you need a smaller turbo that spools up faster and less fuel or use a defuel mode till the turbo spools up completely.

Edge Comp (Sublevel)

1. 33% of stock fuel till 20 PSI of boost
2. 50% of stock fuel till 15 PSI of boost
3. 67% of stock fuel till 10 PSI of boost
4. Some extra fuel at 0 PSI
5. Full fuel at 0 PSI.

So I get a small bit of fuel lag but what funny now is 2nd and 3rd gear I can break the tires loose. Even with the my RV in tow if I'm to heavy on the throttle. :w2:

hmm i understand i will not get rid of all the smoke but i look like i just got bombed by a terriest going up a slight hill.. my vgt should close down smaller then the hx 35 and get slightly bigger witch is why i put it on but its broke and i never did get it tuned right.

VGT turbo have always had issues even in stock configuration. They had problems with the vanes jamming etc. One of the few reasons I held on to the stock turbo and tune to fit the stock hardware more so than tuning to a dream HP/TQ number.

What typically happen more than not is that people start Frankenstein there trucks together with a bunch of mods that claim bigger HP/TQ number without any design, calculation, or consideration and then end up with a mess of a truck that had really poor daily driving performance with reduced longevity.

Like the idea of a guy that building for a racing truck they want to get good quarter mile times. Understandable to build with the most fuel in mind. But now for a daily driver that you typically only use 1/4 to 1/3 of the HP/TQ just driving down the street and now street manner suffer and so does the efficiency.

I'm a daily driver design not a quarter mile designer... :w2:

thats gonna be impossible with the quadzilla all the way up, either get a 62mm turbo to clean it up or turn the chip down if you dont want a lot of smoke

I'm not sure of the the Quad's setting or tuning. But like on my Edge Comp I can run it wide open but set the defuel level down a bit to clean up the launching smoke.

Yep! That's something I just learned with my EDGE JWA. I had the 3-cyl high idle ECU update installed and apparently it came with other updates, some of which advance fuel timing/delivery from the VP$$. With my JWA defueling/low boost response set at 5 in all the levels, I was getting a bunch of new smoke before the turbo spooled up. After talking with a bunch of guys on CF (including the ever-wise Mopar1973man), I found that if I turned down the defueling/low boost response to 2 or 3, the smoke lightened up considerably and I still had all my power. My turbo still spools up quickly and I can still see what's behind me!

ok so ill set my adrinaline to do that i have played with it before but i always figured adrinaline new what they were doing soi just left it on ther factory settings. and as the boost thing i would like to be able to have all my fuel and burn it all.. but i get the time it takes for the tubro to spool so ill defuell on a turbo table. will this give me an even bigger lag off the line though? my power is already like an off on switch if i cut the fuel will it be worse?

That depends on a few things. For instance, Boost leaks, fuel pressure, engine operating temperature, intake temp etc. You'll never be able to burn ALL the fuel all the time unless you can find a way to keep your turbo spooled up at greater than say 10 psi between gear shifts and when running. Turbo lag is just a fact of life.

water meth and tunnel ram will reduce smoke some, so will a cam

If you dont start it, it wont smoke. :tttt::w2:

your he351ve was not working properly. we have done 4 swaps with that turbo, all of them have a smarty stacked with quadzilla adrenaline, and they have ddp 150hp injectors, no smoke when veins or "nozzle" is fully closed. what can happen is the electronics go bad or the nozzle ring gets stuck and you lose performance because the veins are not closing all the way.

a little off topic but stacking a smarty with a quadizilla reduces power... just saying

unless you have a dyno to prove that please do not get me started. because i have 4 dyno sheets to prove you wrong. it all depends how you use them. im sure there are ways you could set them up to make your statement true. but not in this case. im curious why do you think it reduces power when you stack them?

i am getting new electronics soon! so i hopw this will help me.. and does anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the 351?

yep. Pull it out, take it apart, and scrub away.........:pca1:

Yea what he said. The last one I took apart had a small line up pin on the exhaust side that made it real pain putting it back together. ended up knocking the pin out. The nozzle was hung up on it because of a metal ring inside it was out of place somehow. Fairly easy to pull apart though. Wire brushes work nice.

tell me more about this pin? is there anything that would alow me to have a little easer time than you had. basicly im asking did you learn anything that you wish you would have known before you took it apart?

can i use brake and carb cleaner on these parts? can i use parts cleaner on these parts?

im not sure i just used a brush. did you also run coolant to your electronics? the pin is for lining things up. the one i have had a pin. the other turbo i have did not have a pin. its on the outside of the exhaust housing. you cant see it till you pull the exhaust housing off the center section. does your turbo spin freely? and have you tested your electronics?

Shouldn't need anything that strong. Varsol will do the trick just fine.

the vanes also get stuck because of carbon buildup and heat

keep in mind, you'll have to do that over and over and over.......:w2: