650 hp build. 94 12v auto
 

I am building a 12v for my 95 f350 crewcab. I am looking to get around 650hp and try and get around 18mpg. That being said i think i need.

Port head,
head studs,
.020 pistons,
new rings, bearings,
lazer cut delivery valves, ddp?
Unsure what size injectors,
twin turbos, or single turbo?
O ring head,
Aftermarket Intercooler,
Exhaust manifold upgrade,
Thinking about bigger stainless fuel lines,
Pump flow benched unsure what cc to set it at?
Fluid dampener,
4k unsure brand rpm springs,

na is the ford straight shift or auto too? wat motor a first gen motor intercooled or no?

It is a ppump motor. Going with a fully built 47rh auto

oh i see 94 lol never mind no need to port your head either. id say a 0 plate afc mods bump timing 5x14 injectors a cam and a 64/71/12 u would HAVE A few horses. u wanna go to 650hp thats a few thousand dollars im gettin ready to drop around 3000 and still not have supportin mods to handle it yet but be close to 600 then dyno it and try again then buy a dual disc clutch

650 hp build. 94 12v auto
 

If you port the head shouldn't you port the exhaust manifold and the exhaust side on the turbo for better air flow


Brandon

theres no sense in it from wat i hear till ur way up there. but yeah have that pump took to a shop thats well known and tell them wat u want as far as hp and also tell them wat turbo ur gonna run and fuel plate and bla bla bla and they should get it close to work with everything to make 650 hp

Answers in red

were would a good place to send a pump and what would it cost to have put on a bench and maxed out

Pm cumminunglued I think he has a guy that is pretty reasonable.

citi diesel its in north knoxville or acme is good with pumps

Seth at DPE
CDS
Scheid diesel

you can get almost 100 horse from your pump grind your plate down to a #0 and turn the starwheel all the way. If you look at either the diesel power magazine or diesel world one of them in there last article they dynoed there 95 before and after pump work and they gained almost 100 horse for no cost:c:

You can get more out of a beched pump than you will ever get out of a simple yanking the plate method. With attempting to get to 650 the beched pump is gonna be a neccesity in my opinon.

what is the average cost to have a pump maxed?>

couple hundred

and if u get it maxed all ur fuel control will be with a fuel plate

650 hp build. 94 12v auto
 

So if you max out the pump you need a fuel plate? What will happen if you take it out?


Brandon

idk ask dave

the AFC and fuel plate will be your fuel control

You don't need a fuel plate, when a pump is benched they will provide you with a sheet that tells you how many cc's your pump can flow. If you ask they can scribe marks in the housing for plate pos, for example with a 0 plate in the stock pos my pump will flow 450 cc's, plate FF 500 cc, and no plate 550 cc.

what exactly is done to a pump when they max the cc's of fuel on it.

u would have to ask a diesel shop that does pumps or dave ha ha ha

barrels are turned, phase timing is checked and adjusted if needed, each plunger is balanced to flow within tolerance of the other 5. depending on how far you want to go other plungers and barrels can be added, pump cam's be swaped out, and other tricks that the pump shop has. Pumps can be bench flowed with whatever dv's or gov springs you want. You should get a flow sheet that tells you how many cc's a your pump can flow.

interesting. thanks for the info.

We have a place that can do it for ya

i want to spend about 500 on my pump tops without the dvs cost. i want it to be mean ha ha how much would it be to put a different cam in it and adjust all barrels and advance timing to 22 or more or less if need be

you can have it flowed and benched for under 500 ... the cam swap is gonna cost more than that tho. You already have the good cam in the pump as it is so swaping it out is really not needed for a street truck

If you are going to change the pistons, you need to talk with SDX about what piston/injector combo will work best together. The P pumped 12V have a pretty narrow bowl in them stock, and there are other bowl designs that could work better with aftermarket injector spray patterns, depending on the injector.

X200000 on the cam. I really can't stress enough what a good cam can do. Much faster spool, more airflow through the motor means cooler EGTs, better mileage, less smoke.

While its apart, do yourself a favor and have a machine shop balance the rotating assembly and polish the crank. Its only a couple of bucks and SOOOOOO worth it........

By taking out the fuel plate and cramming the star wheel, what kind of gas economy would he be looking at? If he is shooting for 18, without doing anything else where would he be

1 x 4000 RPM GSK w/ 12 HD valve springs, 94-98 Dodge 12V Cummins
1 x 94-98 Dodge 12 Valve 5.9L Cummins Fluidampr Harmonic Balancer
1 x AFC Spring Kit 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins Diesel
1 x 89-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins MaxxSpool Billet Chromoly HD Pushrods
1 x 12 Valve Cummins Billet Retainers & Valve Spring Keepers
2 x 94-98 12 Valve Dynomite Diesel 140hp Stage 4 Injectors DDP4
1 x A1 12MM 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12V Cummins Cylinder Head Stud Kit
1 x 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins w/P7100 Timing Tool Kit
1 x High Flow Laser Cut Delivery Valves, 94-98 Dodge 12V Cummins
1 x 20 Over Marine Head Gasket 1994-1998 12 Valve 5.9L Cummins
1 x 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins Diesel Upper Engine Gasket Kit
1 x Haisley Machine Cast Performance Street Cam 89-98 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins
1 x Dodge 89-98 12V Cummins Quickspool Pulse Exhaust Manifold
1 x High Tech Turbo Sled Puller 66 Stainless 89-07 Dodge 5.9L Cummins
1 x 94-02 Dodge 5.9L Cummins ARP Flexplate Bolt Kit 147-2901
1 x 94-98 Dodge 5.9L Cummins Oil Pan
1 x 5.9L 24 Valve Cummins 6BT Diesel Oil Pump 89-02 Cummins
1 x 89-91 & 98.5-02 Dodge 24 Valve Cummins ATI Super Damper Harmonic Balancer

these are the parts i think i need to get or get advice towards:pca1:

why do you have two harmonic balancers listed? Also you are right up the road from me what do you want to do with this truck?

just one was 100 cheaper then the other one. I am unsure what brand parts to buy.

ah what is the goal for you motor?

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High Flow Laser Cut Delivery Valves, 94-98 Dodge 12V Cummins High Flow Laser Cut Delivery Valves, 94-98 Dodge 12V Cummins
- Additional Items Delivery Valve Socket
$314.00

94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins w/P7100 Timing Tool Kit 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins w/P7100 Timing Tool Kit
$149.99

A1 12MM 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12V Cummins Cylinder Head Stud Kit A1 12MM 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12V Cummins Cylinder Head Stud Kit
$477.65

94-98 12 Valve Dynomite Diesel 140hp Stage 4 Injectors DDP4 94-98 12 Valve Dynomite Diesel 140hp Stage 4 Injectors DDP4
$1,860.10

89-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins MaxxSpool Billet Chromoly HD Pushrods 89-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins MaxxSpool Billet Chromoly HD Pushrods
$199.00

AFC Spring Kit 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins Diesel AFC Spring Kit 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins Diesel
$35.00

94-98 Dodge 12 Valve 5.9L Cummins Fluidampr Harmonic Balancer 94-98 Dodge 12 Valve 5.9L Cummins Fluidampr Harmonic Balancer
$488.20

4000 RPM GSK w/ 12 HD valve springs, 94-98 Dodge 12V Cummins 4000 RPM GSK w/ 12 HD valve springs, 94-98 Dodge 12V Cummins
$225.00

12 Valve Cummins Billet Retainers & Valve Spring Keepers 12 Valve Cummins Billet Retainers & Valve Spring Keepers
- Valve Springs Add 12 HD Valve Springs
$440.00

20 Over Marine Head Gasket 1994-1998 12 Valve 5.9L Cummins 20 Over Marine Head Gasket 1994-1998 12 Valve 5.9L Cummins
$129.00

94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins Diesel Upper Engine Gasket Kit 94-98 Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins Diesel Upper Engine Gasket Kit
- Valve Seals 12x Valve Seals PN 3921640
$268.00

Haisley Machine Cast Performance Street Cam 89-98 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins Haisley Machine Cast Performance Street Cam 89-98 5.9L 12 Valve Cummins
- Core Refundable Core Charge
- Lube & Additive Include Lube/Additive
$740.50

Dodge 89-98 12V Cummins Quickspool Pulse Exhaust Manifold Dodge 89-98 12V Cummins Quickspool Pulse Exhaust Manifold
$468.00

High Tech Turbo Sled Puller 66 Stainless 89-07 Dodge 5.9L Cummins High Tech Turbo Sled Puller 66 Stainless 89-07 Dodge 5.9L Cummins
- Housing Option Standard Housing
- Polished Turbine Housing Not Polished
- Year/Housing 89-02 13CM SS 1366267
$1,984.50

94-02 Dodge 5.9L Cummins ARP Flexplate Bolt Kit 147-2901 94-02 Dodge 5.9L Cummins ARP Flexplate Bolt Kit 147-2901
$54.95

94-98 Dodge 5.9L Cummins Oil Pan 94-98 Dodge 5.9L Cummins Oil Pan
$109.00

5.9L 24 Valve Cummins 6BT Diesel Oil Pump 89-02 Cummins 5.9L 24 Valve Cummins 6BT Diesel Oil Pump 89-02 Cummins
$94.99

89-91 & 98.5-02 Dodge 24 Valve Cummins ATI Super Damper Harmonic Balancer 89-91 & 98.5-02 Dodge 24 Valve Cummins ATI Super Damper Harmonic Balancer
$436.00
Sub-Total: $8,473.88

$1800 for injectors! thats crazy ... 300 for full cuts is way too much as well

IMO do some reading on here before you go and drop a ton of money in a motor.

LOL thats 2 sets of injectors. And i am just seeing what parts i need that are better then others.

holy crap thats alot of money i can build 800hp for that lol dude take your pump to a shop for a couple hundred they flow it and bench it to watever cc u want and dont get laser cuts unless its a puller get 181's. get your timing set and a 4gsk put in it too. get 5x16's or 5x14's dependin on wat turbo or wat u haul etc. u dont need a timing kit the shop can do all that for around 400 plus max the pump out and set ur afc etc. then get sdx injectors for around 500 then if u have a hx35 get a ht3b for twins

$900 a set is still way high for injectors

Maaan, that's a lot of money for 650hp. :nshock: The engine parts in my sig were under $5000, including the twins. Check out SDX or Contagious for injectors and DVs. Crazy Carl will give you a good price on twins (you'll be much happier than that single). Don't forget to allow a good chunk of change to get the horsepower to the ground too!

Spend the bucks if it's burning a hole in your pocket, none of it is really a waste of money. Well..... DDP4s for $900 is.

Ohhh, almost forgot. You're going to need a good fuel pump too!