Pulling Truck Fuel System.....
NOW on to the fuel system since I have decided im just going to run a fuel cell inside my front weight box im building......I'm thinking about the A2000 Aeromotive pump because everything is there, the return port, pressure port, adjustable internal regulator and the pump all in one and the price isnt bad, i just have to check and see if it will work with diesel though, its got -10 fittings also, the filter will just be a single F/S unit from Perma-Cool with 3/4 inch pipe fittings, and all Jeg's -10 Push-Loc hose will be used, the -8 Push-Loc is for the return to the cell......I'll have about 800 in everything (less most likely).......and that includes 140 for a 5 gallon aluminum fuel cell.......The -10 polished fittings im using are 14-17 bucks a piece......Think that should work out pretty well for a 2.6 pulling truck????
ONE 15315 - 5 Gallon JEGS Aluminum Fuel Cell 140.00 ONE 771-88864 - Perma-Cool Fuel Filter 43.00 ONE 027-11202 - Aeromotive A2000 Fuel Pump 346.00 ONE 555-102234 - JEGS Push-Loc Hose -10 25Ft. 80.00 ONE 555-102220 - JEGS Push-Loc Hose -8 5Ft. 15.00 TWO 555-82038 - JEGS Stainless Steel Cushion Clamps 20.00 VARIOUS FITTINGS AND MISCELLANEOUS PARTS 150.00 |
No, the fuel pump in question is set at 12psi from the factory and maxed out at 26psi on the flow chart. No where near the 40+ psi needed for a 12v :pca1:
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Most pulling associations that run a 2.6 class mandate use of the factory fuel tank and no front weight boxes.The first thing I would do is research the class and the associations rules which you may want to pull with before going to this expense.It will make your aftermarket fuel system choice alot clearer.
I know that all my local rules which most of the pulling associations here run and NADM do not allow a 2.6 truck to run any hanging weight or front mounted fuel systems at all.Most all of the 2.6 and 2.8 classes mandate use of the factory fuel tank and do not even allow for a fuel cell in the bed,let alone mounted on the front bumper. As for what pump to run.... Thats easy....AirDog II DF-165 It will handle what you want to accomplish with alot less hassles. |
Originally Posted by Red_Rattler
(Post 373082)
No, the fuel pump in question is set at 12psi from the factory and maxed out at 26psi on the flow chart. No where near the 40+ psi needed for a 12v :pca1:
Originally Posted by Hammer
(Post 373086)
Most pulling associations that run a 2.6 class mandate use of the factory fuel tank and no front weight boxes.The first thing I would do is research the class and the associations rules which you may want to pull with before going to this expense.It will make your aftermarket fuel system choice alot clearer.
I know that all my local rules which most of the pulling associations here run and NADM do not allow a 2.6 truck to run any hanging weight or front mounted fuel systems at all.Most all of the 2.6 and 2.8 classes mandate use of the factory fuel tank and do not even allow for a fuel cell in the bed,let alone mounted on the front bumper. As for what pump to run.... Thats easy....AirDog II DF-165 It will handle what you want to accomplish with alot less hassles. NADM allows hanging weights in the 2.6, i got a copy of the rules right here in front of me, most classes allow hanging weight in the 2.6 (atleast any good association does)......and there is nothing in the NADM 2.6 rules that say you cant run a fuel cell or have it up front.......and there is also nothing about having a weight box.....the only thing they will nail me on is the batteries......but if they believe that the batteries are going to give me that much of an advantage i WANT them to disqualify me.....cause that means their trucks suck so bad that they cant keep up anyways and i dont want to pull with them if they suck that bad....... Designations: 2.6 SD Weight: 8000 lbs. Maximum, with driver. REGULATIONS: Ballast: Ballast is permitted. Hanging weights may not extend more than 60 inches from the centerline of the front axle. Batteries: The batteries must be securely mounted. They may not be located in the driver compartment or forward of the radiator core support. Body: The body must be an OEM truck body, including the full bed floor. The body must retain full sheet metal. Metal aftermarket hoods are permitted. Fiberglass is prohibited. The hood must be closed and securely latched while the vehicle is hooked to the sled. The complete OEM firewall and complete OEM floor pan is mandatory Brakes: Four-wheel hydraulic brakes are mandatory. Chassis: The OEM chassis is mandatory. The engine must be in the OEM location for the body used. The vehicle must retain the full OEM chassis. Wheel tubs, back-half conversions, tube chassis, etc., are prohibited. Cooling System: Radiators must be in the vicinity of the stock location and be of at least stock size. Credentials: All drivers must have a valid state drivers license. Driveline: An OEM transmission and transfer case is mandatory. They must have been an option on a one-ton or smaller pickup. Driver Restraint System: The OEM restraint system is mandatory and must be worn. Driveshaft Loops: All trucks must have at least six inch wide u-joint shields around the rear ujoint constructed of at least _ inch steel or 3/8 inch aluminum that will safely contain the u-joint and the end of the rear shaft. All shields must be securely mounted to the vehicle. Any front shaft u-joint that is visible from the side of the truck must be shielded to contain the u-joint and the end of the shaft. A new puller will be granted a one-time waiver of this requirement. Engine: The engine block must have been available as a factory option on a one-ton or smaller pickup truck. Blocks must circulate coolant freely. Water pumps must be present, but may be powered electrically The use of concrete or other block fillers is prohibited. All factory beltdriven accessories, excluding the air conditioning compressor, must be retained and powered via the crankshaft by a standard serpentine or ‘V’ belt. Electric fans are permitted. Aftermarket radiator assemblies are permitted, but must be securely mounted in the same general area as the OEM unit. NITROUS OXIDE is prohibited along with other oxygen extenders and the use of PROPANE is also prohibited. All system components MUST be removed from the truck. Exhaust: All vehicles must be equipped to direct exhaust upward. The exhaust must exit rearward of the driver’s compartment. Stacks exiting through the hood or fender-well are prohibited. Two 3/8 inch diameter bolts must be installed through the exhaust pipe in a cross pattern within one inch of each other as close to the turbo as is practical. Fire Extinguisher System: A fire extinguisher system is permitted. It must be securely mounted. Fuel: The fuel must be pump #1/#2 diesel only. Soy/Bio-diesel fuel is permitted. Off-road diesel fuel is prohibited. Fuel Injection Pump: The fuel injection pump is limited to a stock-appearing, OEM engine make-specific pump only. Dual high-pressure common-rail fuel pumps or HPOPs are permitted. The P7100 injection pump, if equipped, must utilize a stock-appearing governor. Harmonic Balancer: All engines turning 4500 RPM and higher must be equipped with a harmonic balancer or damper meeting SFI Spec 18.1. Hitch: The hitch must be a receiver-style hitch; reinforcements are permitted. Reinforcements must not extend forward of the centerline of the rear axle. Trick hitches are prohibited. The hooking point must be the rear-most point on the vehicle and must be rearward of the stock location of the tailgate. The hitch must be horizontal to the ground and stationary in all directions. Bumpers may be notched or removed. The hitch’s height from the ground may not exceed 26 inches on 4wd units and 30 inches on 2wd units. The hooking point must have a minimum 3.750-inch inside diameter opening for the sled hook. The hooking point will be measured to the center of the clevis loop. Interior: A complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc., is mandatory. Two matching front seats are mandatory. Aftermarket seats are permitted; they must be fully upholstered. All factory controls (lights, signals, horn, windows, wipers, etc.) must be retained and be operative. The use of hand-throttle controls are prohibited. Rear End: Non-OEM rear-end housings are prohibited. The rear end must have been an option on a one-ton or smaller pick up. Rear axle bolts must be covered by a cap or shield. Steering: The vehicle must retain the full, original OEM steering gear. The vehicle must retain the original OEM power steering assistance, if it was so equipped. Additional stabilizers are permitted. Non-OEM power assist methods are prohibited. Street Equipment: Complete headlight and taillight assemblies (all) are mandatory and must be operative. Complete OEM windshield and windows are mandatory. Windows must be operative per factory specifications; that is, they must open and close via OEM electrical or mechanical means. Suspension, Front: The factory suspension configuration must be retained. The upper mounting point for strut assemblies must be in the factory location. Adjustable caster/camber pillow ball mounts are permitted. The lower control arm may be strengthened provided factory-mounting points to chassis are maintained. The lower mounting point for the strut assembly may be modified for improved caster or camber. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, and limit straps are permitted. Traction bars and devices are permitted. The final decision rests with the NADM Technical Department. Suspension, Rear: An OEM-style suspension is mandatory. Traction bars and devices are permitted; they must be bolt on only; welds are permitted for attachment to frame or axle housing. Control arms may be strengthened or replaced, provided all original mounting points are retained. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, limit straps, and camber kits are permitted. The rear suspension may be bolted solid to eliminate travel. All rear suspensions must use at least one working shock absorber per wheel. Tires: The tires must be DOT street tires. Cut tires are prohibited. Tow Vehicles: Tow vehicles are prohibited. Transfer Case: Non-OEM transfer cases are prohibited. It must have been an option on a one-ton or smaller pick up truck. Transmission, Automatic: Non-OEM transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket torque converters, valve bodies and internal components are permitted. Transmission brakes are prohibited. Any non-OEM floor-mounted automatic transmission shifter must be equipped with a spring-loaded positive reverse lockout device to prevent the shifter from accidentally being put into reverse gear. A functional neutral safety switch is mandatory. All transmission lines must be metallic or high-pressure-type hose. All vehicles with engines running 4500 RPM or more and using an automatic transmission must be equipped with a transmission shield meeting SFI Spec 4.1 and must be labeled accordingly. A blanket-type shield is permitted; it must be appropriately labeled as meeting SFI Spec 4.1 and it must extend from the rear of the block to the front of tail housing with a minimum six-inch overlap where it is fastened. All non-blanket-type shields must incorporate two (or one, per manufacturers instructions) 3/4 inch by 1/8 inch straps that bolt to the shield on each side and pass under the transmission pan unless the transmission pan is labeled as meeting SFI Spec 4.1. All vehicles with engines running 4500 RPM or more and using an automatic transmission must be equipped with a flex plate meeting SFI Spec 29.1 and be covered by a flex plate shield meeting SFI Spec 30.1. |
hack up a junkyard truck and take the radiator core support and mount it on the front of the weight box...
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I know in the NADM rule book they also say that for the 2.6 and 2.8 classes that the OEM fuel tank use is mandatory.
Somehow you would make a good mark for Gene to toss out with the attitude your displaying already.Also of note I have also checked all of the sanctioning bodies that pull in my state and the also all require a OEM fuel tank and batteries mounted in the factory location.As I have said before,most all of the 2.6/2.8 rules are the same with the only differences being that some allow front hanging weights and some do not. Also of note... There ARE many strong running 2.6 trucks that run NADM and if you think they are junk then you may just get a lesson.That is IF you do not get your azz tossed before you ever pull.Its a shame that you consider those who know and are abiding by the rules set forth by the NADM "Junk trucks" just because you want to use your version of the rules. Please by all means let me know where or what NADM show your going to debut at as I will sit there in Tech and bring my camera to video your temper tantrum when Gene tosses you out.Guys like you crack me up. |
Originally Posted by Hammer
(Post 373938)
I know in the NADM rule book they also say that for the 2.6 and 2.8 classes that the OEM fuel tank use is mandatory.
Somehow you would make a good mark for Gene to toss out with the attitude your displaying already.Also of note I have also checked all of the sanctioning bodies that pull in my state and the also all require a OEM fuel tank and batteries mounted in the factory location.As I have said before,most all of the 2.6/2.8 rules are the same with the only differences being that some allow front hanging weights and some do not. Also of note... There ARE many strong running 2.6 trucks that run NADM and if you think they are junk then you may just get a lesson.That is IF you do not get your azz tossed before you ever pull.Its a shame that you consider those who know and are abiding by the rules set forth by the NADM "Junk trucks" just because you want to use your version of the rules. Please by all means let me know where or what NADM show your going to debut at as I will sit there in Tech and bring my camera to video your temper tantrum when Gene tosses you out.Guys like you crack me up. |
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...and wings are for pussies And I DO agree....Wings ARE for Pussies....LOL |
I like wings.... I just ate some tonight! :tttt:
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Originally Posted by Hammer
(Post 373938)
I know in the NADM rule book they also say that for the 2.6 and 2.8 classes that the OEM fuel tank use is mandatory.
Somehow you would make a good mark for Gene to toss out with the attitude your displaying already.Also of note I have also checked all of the sanctioning bodies that pull in my state and the also all require a OEM fuel tank and batteries mounted in the factory location.As I have said before,most all of the 2.6/2.8 rules are the same with the only differences being that some allow front hanging weights and some do not. Also of note... There ARE many strong running 2.6 trucks that run NADM and if you think they are junk then you may just get a lesson.That is IF you do not get your azz tossed before you ever pull.Its a shame that you consider those who know and are abiding by the rules set forth by the NADM "Junk trucks" just because you want to use your version of the rules. Please by all means let me know where or what NADM show your going to debut at as I will sit there in Tech and bring my camera to video your temper tantrum when Gene tosses you out.Guys like you crack me up. and yes i know how well the trucks run, a friend of mine won the 2008 NADM 2.6 series points, and the Central Ohio series as well...... |
Originally Posted by LOGANSTANFORTH
(Post 374320)
Show me where.....i just posted it.....i also got a copy in PDF form on my computer directly from NADM's website, where do you think i copy and pasted those from....you show me where the 2.6/2.8 rules say you must run a OEM tank, cause the only thing they list for anything to do with the fuel system i highlighted in my above post......and im not using my version of the rules, im doing exactly what the rules dont cover, and if you drive a race car like i'm assuming you do then I know your no different......i worked at a dirt track for 4 years, why do you think i question the rules like i do......[cause of people like you and dan trying to slip "grey" stuff past the tech inspectors.......
and yes i know how well the trucks run, a friend of mine won the 2008 NADM 2.6 series points, and the Central Ohio series as well...... |
Originally Posted by Mr. Miyagi
(Post 374333)
Hey....don't be lumping me into this >>>>. I've never been DQ'd ever never ever so there. :bat: :ph: :pca1: :w2: :moon:
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Hey....don't be lumping me into this shit. I've never been DQ'd ever never ever so there Matter of fact,a couple of weeks ago when we notched another win with our car they even pumped us again and we were found legal.I love it when dumb azzes put the money up to pump the winner,its an easy extra 500 in our winnings pocket. I will tell you what I am amazed at.... You posting this very question on a board where the NADM lead tech man doesn't post.Now why would you do such a thing,afraid that you will be told that very same thing which I already posted.BTW,so your not mislead I did confirm that 2.6 and 2.8 must use the OEM fuel tanks as I have already stated before I posted it. |
Here's how I did mine. A1000 pump, A1000-6 regulator
http://www.powerstrokenation.com/pho.../swap_0014.JPG |
Kevin...
Your injector return line... It looks like its also run through the regulator and is being pressure regulated. I am curious to the reason why or am I not seeing that?. With the injector return not having any pressure to speak of from the factory I am wondering what the reason behind forcing it to maintain pressure.The only thing I see that I would have done differently would have been to use the OFV port to feed the second line into and the front port as the return.Nice job on the conversion and fuel system work...Andy |
Originally Posted by Hammer
(Post 374007)
Guess Who and Where?????
And I DO agree....Wings ARE for Pussies....LOL Damn Gambler house car looking thing with Danny Smith written all over it but with Coors Light gang sponsorship...too old of a car to be Esh (no downtubes) and I dunno if Doty ever drove a non-wing car sponsored by the Silver Bullet..... Who the F is 39.....dammit I give up. Tell me One Man Gang, sir.... :moon: |
ive decided to build a drag truck since my truck was outlawed before it was even built........4 wheel drive on slicks should be fun......
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The injector return line is after the regulator, no pressure. The return comes from the pump to the regulator. After the regulator it t's at the frame rail for the injector return.
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What? Seriously?
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Thanks Kevin....
It was hard to see in the shot.Have you gotten any hooks on it yet with the weather we have been having around here lately?. Oh Young Wingless Grasshopper.... Track is Hagerstown and was smooth as a babies butt that day way back when. Close on the car as it was a "Gambler" house car,except your thinking WoO and this was a USAC car. The wheelman in the shot was one who feared no one,was small in frame,soft spoken in voice and yet was one os the most feared men to ever sit inside a USAC wingless sprint car..... The driver......Is None other than...Rich Vogler |
Originally Posted by Hammer
(Post 374782)
Thanks Kevin....
It was hard to see in the shot.Have you gotten any hooks on it yet with the weather we have been having around here lately?. Oh Young Wingless Grasshopper.... Track is Hagerstown and was smooth as a babies butt that day way back when. Close on the car as it was a "Gambler" house car,except your thinking WoO and this was a USAC car. The wheelman in the shot was one who feared no one,was small in frame,soft spoken in voice and yet was one os the most feared men to ever sit inside a USAC wingless sprint car..... The driver......Is None other than...Rich Vogler USAC...1986........see I forget people seem to think non-wing sprint cars are cool, too. :moon: |
Originally Posted by LOGANSTANFORTH
(Post 374714)
ive decided to build a drag truck since my truck was outlawed before it was even built........4 wheel drive on slicks should be fun......
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Grasshopper...
I will once again test your knowledge and derail this thread as its done anyway.... Bubba has gotten confused and thats not good,could cost him to many Scam-Wow's... Name the track,driver and year... This was one of my favorites in my vast collection........Andy P.S-I get some time I will start you a thread in the Badlands for you.Now you have me with all my albums laying out,I can really twist your mind some..LOL. |
No hooks yet, still haven't fired it. Have a few small things left. The lower hose is kicking my butt.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Bubba
(Post 374812)
What am I missin here. I thought you had proven yourself to be right and now you say it is outlawed. I know it's nothin out a the ordinary but I'm confused again.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Bubba
(Post 374812)
What am I missin here. I thought you had proven yourself to be right and now you say it is outlawed. I know it's nothin out a the ordinary but I'm confused again.
lifted show truck, 10 inches of custom long-arm lift built by a friend with a 3 inch body lift, axles geared low, 40 inches or so of tire on a nice set of aluminum wheels, custom paint done by a good friend..... still driveable but not very practical, like most trucks in central florida, still cheaper than a pulling truck and can drive more places...... hardcore offroad truck, 8-10 inches of custom long-arm lift built by a friend with coilovers, cut as much of the fenders as possible, dovetail the bed sides, dovetail the nose, 12 inch wide steel beadlock wheels with some MT Claws turned backwards for rock crawling, possibly a rear 4 link with coilovers or soft leaf springs..... still driveable but not very practical, like most trucks in central florida, still cheaper than a pulling truck and can drive more places...... monster truck, 4 link, 14 inch lift coil springs, 4.5 inch Tuff Country spring spacers, 3 inch body lift, SCS drop box or 2.5 ton case, 30.5x32 tires, hood stack, a few engine tweaks, 5 ton or planetary axles...... i can actually build this truck cheaper than i can a pulling truck plus i will take the front axle i just rebuilt and put it under my 93 Dually and make it 4x4.....so i see that as a big plus too..... lowered 4wd drag truck..... a drag strip 15 minutes from the house plus another diesel drag racer lives 3 minutes from my house.....and still cheaper than a pulling truck..... tow truck, still convert it to the 37 spline Dana 80 F-Superduty 10x7.25 lug disk brake rear and the 60 front to the same lug pattern and put my western hauler bed from my 1st gen on it, some nice alcoa's and build it into a trailer puller with twins, Kelderman air suspension front and rear, and a few other cool things...... more useful and most likely more fun than a sled puller and if i chose too, i can still pull it in the Super Street/3.0 classes......and still probably cheaper than a sled puller.... |
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