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Originally Posted by asmxb24
(Post 695818)
When is it necessary to do O rings? I am planning on running small twins with a hx35 over ht3b and was wondering if you thought i would need to o ring or i can just get away with a better gasket and ARP head studs?
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so the stock head already has a groove in it. you just gota have a oring to fit the groove made and modify the gasket? thats what i got from that. am i incorrect?
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Originally Posted by arobertson
(Post 695926)
so the stock head already has a groove in it. you just gota have a oring to fit the groove made and modify the gasket? thats what i got from that. am i incorrect?
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my head was o-ringed 2 years ago and been holding 85psi down the track. I would say it's something do once you upgrade the turbo along with studs. there is nothing wrong with saving up and when the gasket goes do it then.
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how about retorquing, how often for o-ring vs. firering? just looking for the best option for me, i don't want to retorque every service lol.
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BaditsDiesel is incorrect...
O-RINGS are cut into the HEAD only. It STILL uses a stock head gasket. The O-ring crushes down REALLY hard on the STOCK head gaskets compression/fire ring (the metal o-ring built into all head gaskets. FIRE-RINGS do NOT use the stock head gaskets compression/fire ring. It is REMOVED and there is a ring pressed into the head that fits in a groove cut into the block. THIS ring becomes the holder of ULTIMATE pressure because it fits in both grooves. ---- ASMXB24 - You should at LEAST stud your head!! I wouldnt o-ring it unless you blow the stock gasket. But you should be ok! I only did it because my head ALREADY blew its gasket AND I am going to get twins and want to be SAFE! ---- AROBERTSON - No the stock head does NOT have a groove cut in it. Part of the BIG $$ of having o-rings done is the perfect groove they cut in the head. Its cut into the head in a perfect circle they then press in a wire that fits TIGHT in that groove. That smashes the stock head gaskets fire/compression ring as stated above. ----- TurboStang - You should not have to re-torque once the initial re-torque sequence is done... A few times perhaps... You do this to make sure the stock gaskets fire ring is crushed properly and seated TIGHT |
im not so sure i agree with your deffinitions. everyone i deal with II, scheid, haisleys, all call O-ringing a groove in the block. fire ringing is in the head. but fire ringing can be done in both head and block for a better hold. cause my head is fire ringed and its only cut in the head. and uses the modifiyed gasket.
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Here is pure diesel powers description, the engine shop that did mine shares the same terminology... Maybe its just a PER SHOP description...
Fire Ring versus O Ring Cylinder Head Dodge Cummins Diesel I dont really know, i would love to know the official description |
so to o-ring you have to pull the block out and take it to the shop? i don't want to go to that length lol. i will more than likely be pulling my head this summer to do some port work on it so i figured while it was off i would go ahead and do this stuff to it. and im not too familiar with it yet lol. so if i am gathering the info right the firering is in the head or head block combo, and o-ring is in the block only? i read on another forum that firerings have to be torqued down much more often than o-ring? to firering you have to get a modified gasket but o-ring has just a metel wire that goes into the groove and uses the stock head gasket?sorry not trying to steal the thread just want some info:tu:
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