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crazycooter 11-12-2009 08:59 PM

apps symptoms
 
I am just looking for some reinforcement opinions that my problem could be my apps and not my vp44. I want to hear some of the strange symptoms that the apps can cause that are not vp44 related.
any input would be helpful in saving big $$$ thanks

Whit 11-12-2009 09:01 PM

throttle response drops off to zero then comes back on suddenly

DeLuzGN 11-13-2009 10:23 AM

shift points change a bit at times
torque converter might stay locked when it should release
can go in and out of TC lock up for no reason
truck "feels" sluggish
mileage drops
and what whit wrote above, that's classic APPS failure.

Check the voltage on the APPS if you haven't already. You can adjust it if it's off. It's pretty easy.
Also, check for codes if you're having issues.

Mopar1973Man 11-13-2009 10:41 AM

APPS will always throw a code... (P0121, P0122, or P0123)

VP44 might throw a code it might not...

crazycooter 11-13-2009 07:05 PM

don't know if it threw a code or not, and have not road tested her yet, but I am not going to throw my old one away just yet. I went ahead and found one today out at Pueblo Diesel Injection out the door for about $450. I hope I didn't waste my money. I have about 1500 miles that I have to go over the next ten days, so I will find out if that was money well spent. It did seem to make it start easier and not tons of gray smoke on cold startup. I think I am moving in the right direction now, but I am still not convinced that the vp is also a problem. I will add to this when I get back around Thanksgiving.

I will say for sure though that my Cr@ppy running Cummins runs a lot better than my good running powerjoke:ouch:

12vcummins96 11-13-2009 07:11 PM

lol

mishkaya 11-13-2009 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by crazycooter (Post 431148)
don't know if it threw a code or not, and have not road tested her yet, but I am not going to throw my old one away just yet. I went ahead and found one today out at Pueblo Diesel Injection out the door for about $450. I hope I didn't waste my money. I have about 1500 miles that I have to go over the next ten days, so I will find out if that was money well spent. It did seem to make it start easier and not tons of gray smoke on cold startup. I think I am moving in the right direction now, but I am still not convinced that the vp is also a problem. I will add to this when I get back around Thanksgiving.

I will say for sure though that my Cr@ppy running Cummins runs a lot better than my good running powerjoke:ouch:

Bit of a bummer as you can get an aftermarket APPS for under $200. :argh:

Mopar1973Man 11-13-2009 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by mishkaya (Post 431153)
Bit of a bummer as you can get an aftermarket APPS for under $200. :argh:

No kidding... I know a guy selling them for $160...:w2:

blkjack 11-14-2009 09:06 AM

Let us know how that worked mines kinda actin funny too hopin its the apps and not the vp. Im thinkin apps cause it doesnt act up with cruise on.:humm:

crazycooter 11-14-2009 02:10 PM

whish i had known about that $160 one before. this one was after market. Dodge wanted almost $600.

Im off here in a bit and will have more to add by thanksgiving


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