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Waste Motor Oil In A Second Gen?
I have seen allot about this BUT have never seen much about the second gens doing it... Is it cool to run VERY filtered WMO in the 5.9 w/ a VP44??? I have heard about 2 cycle engine oil and tried a little of that... One of the small containers (maybe 8 oz) per fill up. That mixed with Diesel Kleen w/ Cetane boost seemed to quiet the engine a bit...
How much 2 cycle mix oil CAN i run? Can i run filtered WMO? At what %? What other additives can i run? PS. dont care about the "dip test" never ever heard of anyone tested here at all! |
According to Cummins no more tha 5% volume of WEO/WMO can be used...
5% to 35 gallons is 1.75 Gallons of WEO/WMO (MAX) But I highly suggest against it. Its extremely difficult to filter out all the debris and metals. It adds more stress to the VP44 when the fuel thicken in the cold (possible to do damage). For sure reduction in MPG and HP/TQ occurs after (100:1 Ratio). Thicken fuel tends not to spray properly from the injectors. Then on top of that some of the new additives in the CJ-4 oil don't burn completely (ASH) In a older truck with a 12V and P-pump you can burn just about anything... As for me... I'm going on my 4 year of 2 cycle oil (128:1 Ratio) and still hitting 21-23 MPG. Then my VP44 is heading for 100K miles (99,000). :yeah: As for additive anthing less than 460 HFRR is good! (Blue) Anything less than 520 HFRR (green) is OK... Anything in the RED is bad (causing excessive wear) Also take notice that WEO/WMO failed the HFRR and only gained 2 Points... :booo: http://www.mopar1973man.com/coppermi...RR_score~0.jpg Here is Bosch's Testing of American Fuels and the results... http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf |
i assume these numbers are not the same for a 96 12V?
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Originally Posted by Mopar1973Man
(Post 355758)
As for additive anthing less than 460 HFRR is good! (Blue) Anything less than 520 HFRR (green) is OK... Anything in the RED is bad (causing excessive wear) Also take notice that WEO/WMO failed the HFRR and only gained 2 Points... :booo: http://www.mopar1973man.com/coppermi...RR_score~0.jpg |
Originally Posted by Johnny Z
(Post 355802)
i assume these numbers are not the same for a 96 12V?
Originally Posted by Uncle Bubba
(Post 355806)
Just curious as to where the chart is from.
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/hf...ieselplace.pdf Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place Lubricity Additive Study Discussion - Diesel Place The only data that changed was the Dose ozs. for our 35 gallon tanks (newer trucks):w2: Then Bosch's Data on it... http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf |
Originally Posted by Mopar1973Man
(Post 355897)
Number are the same for all diesel vehicles...
From here.. http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/hf...ieselplace.pdf Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place Lubricity Additive Study Discussion - Diesel Place The only data that changed was the Dose ozs. for our 35 gallon tanks (newer trucks):w2: Then Bosch's Data on it... http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf It must have been copied to these places, I'm interested in who did the studies. |
Why is the stroke oil bold? Didn't see anything in the notes at the bottom designating what bold means.
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Originally Posted by RSWORDS
(Post 357123)
Why is the stroke oil bold? Didn't see anything in the notes at the bottom designating what bold means.
HFRR |
Unless I'm missin somethin here then this study was conducted by an individual in his garage or basement.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Bubba
(Post 357274)
Unless I'm missin somethin here then this study was conducted by an individual in his garage or basement.
METHOD: An independent research firm was hired to do the laboratory work. The cost of the research was paid for voluntarily by the participating additive These were also paid for by members of “dieselplace.com”.manufacturers. Declining to participate and pay for the research were the following companies: Amsoil and Power Service. Because these are popular products it was determined that they needed to be included in the study. These products were tested using funds collected by diesel enthusiasts at “dieselplace.com”. Additionally, unconventional additives such as 2-cycle oil and used motor oil were tested for their abilities to aid in diesel fuel lubricity. BLIND STUDY: In order to ensure a completely unbiased approach to the study, the following steps were taken: Each additive tested was obtained independently via internet or over the counter purchases. The only exceptions were Opti-Lube XPD and the biodiesel sample. The reason for this is because Opti-Lube XPD additive was considered “experimental” at the time of test enrollment and was not yet on the market. It was sent directly from Opti-Lube company. The bio-diesel sample was sponsored by Renewable Energy Group. One of their suppliers, E.H. Wolf and Sons in Slinger, Wisconsin supplied us with a sample of 100% soybean based bio-diesel. This sample was used to blend with the baseline fuel to create a 2% bio-diesel for testing. Each additive was bottled separately in identical glass containers. The bottles were labeled only with a number. This number corresponded to the additive contained in the bottle. The order of numbering was done randomly by drawing names out of a hat. Only Spicer Research held the key to the additives in each bottle. The additive samples were then sent in a box to the independent research firm for testing. The only information given them was the ratio of fuel to be added to each additive sample. For example, bottle “A” needs to be mixed at a ratio of “480-1”. The ratio used for each additive was the “prescribed dosage” found on the bottle label for that product. Used motor oil and 2- cycle oil were tested at a rationally chosen ratio of 200:1. The technician at the laboratory mixed the proper ratio of each “bottled fluid” into a separate container containing the baseline fuel. The data, therefore, is meaningful because every additive is tested in the same way using the same fuel. A side-by-side comparison of the effectiveness of each additive is now obtainable. |
Originally Posted by Mopar1973Man
(Post 357394)
Not correct... (Copied right from the document)
An independent research firm was hired to do the laboratory work. who is this "independent research firm" ? i am curious who they are and where they are located. |
Originally Posted by Benjamin
(Post 358208)
who is this "independent research firm" ?
i am curious who they are and where they are located. |
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