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24 Valve 2nd Gen Dodge Cummins 98.5-02 Discussion of 24 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with VP44 Injection Pumps
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Old 06-24-2009, 07:26 PM
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Default Waste Motor Oil In A Second Gen?

I have seen allot about this BUT have never seen much about the second gens doing it... Is it cool to run VERY filtered WMO in the 5.9 w/ a VP44??? I have heard about 2 cycle engine oil and tried a little of that... One of the small containers (maybe 8 oz) per fill up. That mixed with Diesel Kleen w/ Cetane boost seemed to quiet the engine a bit...

How much 2 cycle mix oil CAN i run?

Can i run filtered WMO? At what %?

What other additives can i run?

PS. dont care about the "dip test" never ever heard of anyone tested here at all!
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Old 06-25-2009, 08:33 AM
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According to Cummins no more tha 5% volume of WEO/WMO can be used...

5% to 35 gallons is 1.75 Gallons of WEO/WMO (MAX)

But I highly suggest against it. Its extremely difficult to filter out all the debris and metals. It adds more stress to the VP44 when the fuel thicken in the cold (possible to do damage). For sure reduction in MPG and HP/TQ occurs after (100:1 Ratio). Thicken fuel tends not to spray properly from the injectors. Then on top of that some of the new additives in the CJ-4 oil don't burn completely (ASH)

In a older truck with a 12V and P-pump you can burn just about anything...

As for me... I'm going on my 4 year of 2 cycle oil (128:1 Ratio) and still hitting 21-23 MPG. Then my VP44 is heading for 100K miles (99,000).

As for additive anthing less than 460 HFRR is good! (Blue) Anything less than 520 HFRR (green) is OK... Anything in the RED is bad (causing excessive wear)

Also take notice that WEO/WMO failed the HFRR and only gained 2 Points...



Here is Bosch's Testing of American Fuels and the results...
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf

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Old 06-25-2009, 11:27 AM
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i assume these numbers are not the same for a 96 12V?
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:31 AM
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As for additive anthing less than 460 HFRR is good! (Blue) Anything less than 520 HFRR (green) is OK... Anything in the RED is bad (causing excessive wear)

Also take notice that WEO/WMO failed the HFRR and only gained 2 Points...

Just curious as to where the chart is from.
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Old 06-25-2009, 04:04 PM
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i assume these numbers are not the same for a 96 12V?
Number are the same for all diesel vehicles...

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Just curious as to where the chart is from.
From here..
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/hf...ieselplace.pdf

Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place

Lubricity Additive Study Discussion - Diesel Place

The only data that changed was the Dose ozs. for our 35 gallon tanks (newer trucks)

Then Bosch's Data on it...
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:29 PM
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Number are the same for all diesel vehicles...



From here..
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/hf...ieselplace.pdf

Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place

Lubricity Additive Study Discussion - Diesel Place

The only data that changed was the Dose ozs. for our 35 gallon tanks (newer trucks)

Then Bosch's Data on it...
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf

It must have been copied to these places, I'm interested in who did the studies.
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Why is the stroke oil bold? Didn't see anything in the notes at the bottom designating what bold means.
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Why is the stroke oil bold? Didn't see anything in the notes at the bottom designating what bold means.
Copy from my web site page...
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