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Fiveseven 06-08-2009 07:26 PM

Cant start?
 
Hello does any body know why my truck doesn't start I was driveing out of my drive way when my truck suddenly started to shake and started to lose power and then it just died then I tried to start it back on and it did for like 10 seconds shaking a lot and then it when dead again and now it wont start does any body have any idea what could this be?
Thanks!

bobcat67 06-08-2009 07:46 PM

when's the last time you changed the fuel filter, and it could be out of fuel if you have a bad fuel gauge, those would be the first 2 things i look at

Dr. Evil 06-08-2009 08:20 PM

Just about impossible for us to help you - we need details about your truck....

What other symptoms do you have?

How old are your batteries?

Do you have access to a scanner?

Are there any performance mods on your truck?

Fiveseven 06-09-2009 01:26 AM

Well this is what I got.
 
The batteries are almost new and I dont have access to a scanner I dont have any performance mods . About a week ago I replaced the power steering pump because it had a big leak also I replaced it because there was a noise that I couldn't figure out it sound like almost the turbo whistle but it was more like a continues beep it always started after a while of driveing it thinking that this was going to fix it but it didn't . But then I found this website and I read about boost leak and I took of the boots and the clamps to watch for holes or bad clamps and there were fine so I cleaned them because they had some grease, put them back together and the noise stop that happen about seven days ago there wasn't any codes it just to start right up no smoke the fuel gauges work fine I even drove it right before this happen about 20 miles left it parked for about two hours I got on it turned it on drove it for about 10 yards and it just started shaking real bad and went dead then I tried starting it up again and it did for about 4 seconds but it was shaking really bad then it died again and from there it wont start at all . The only other thing I could think of is that I did left the truck almost go out of fuel but that happen about a week ago and I have filled it up twice since then thats all I could think of I hope I have provide all the information. Thanks



Originally Posted by Dr. Evil (Post 348034)
Just about impossible for us to help you - we need details about your truck....

What other symptoms do you have?

How old are your batteries?

Do you have access to a scanner?

Are there any performance mods on your truck?


stkdram55 06-09-2009 01:36 AM

could you tell if the truck was missing, i guess my question is was it the engine shaking the truck??? It almost sounds to me like maybe the Torque Converter is staying locked...is it an auto??

Tweaker727 06-09-2009 10:30 AM

I'm thinking a miss or a fuel filter / pickup pump issue,

I would change the fuel filter first, to see if maybe you picked up some sludge off the bottom of the tank, Don't forget to bleed the feed supply line to the pressure pump..

and more info would help,

Year,
Trans,
Mileage !

Let us know ! every one is bound to pitch in .02 $ ! :pca1:

Fiveseven 06-09-2009 11:15 AM

The truck wasn't missing at all and I have changed the fuel filter already and I did bleed the feed supply line ,the engine wasn't shaking the truck it was like as if it was choking like if it was running out of gas. The truck is a 2000 dodge ram 2500 4x4 5 speed manual transmission it has 143000 miles on it . It does have a K&N filter the OEM kind not the cold air . One other thing after I try starting it there is a sound like a buss coming out of the brake reservoir stays on for a few seconds. Could it be the lift pump ?

Dr. Evil 06-09-2009 11:19 AM

Yes it could be the lift pump.

How much fuel did you put in? Id say you need 10 gallons minimum.

You scanned the truck with a scanned and there were no codes?


You might need to check fuel pressure.

Turbohunter 06-09-2009 11:25 AM

What about cracking open the first injector and just turning the key to on and priming the system to see if there is fuel all the way up past the injector. I had the same problem awhile back and turned out to be the fuel guage but you could be having an issue with the lift pump or something. Check to make sure there is fuel in the first line

Fiveseven 06-09-2009 11:33 AM

I did put about 20 gallons .
How can I check the fuel pressure?

Mr.Krabs 06-09-2009 12:28 PM

Injection pump failure.
At least that's what it was when my truck did that.
I fired it up,backed up,put it in second,pulled forward about 10 feet,pushed in the clutch and it started running like crap,managed to get it to "run" buy standing on the throttle and turning it over,but it ran so awful that I just shut it off and went to get my "ram hauler"

Shuck's sells the fuel pressure gauge,it screws onto the Schrader valve on the injection pump.

Fiveseven 06-09-2009 06:51 PM

I finaly got a code its P 1693 I got by opening the key three times and leaveing it on and it gave me this code. Does any body know what this means?

turbo20psi 06-09-2009 08:49 PM

The P1693 code is a companion code which sits inside the ecm that does not clear itself after another code has been present . See if you can get a scan tool and scan for more codes.

bob mccartney 06-09-2009 09:50 PM

injector pump
 
My 98 had pump problem that would do the same thing kind of once in a while then the v pump just quit and it would not start without some juice on the air cleaner.(I did it bt I DO NOT recomend it)

Dr. Evil 06-09-2009 11:41 PM

Thats not the best fix Bob...

jkidd 06-10-2009 11:21 AM

when my vp44 died all I got was the p1693 from the codes read off of the odometer. Lots of vp44 failures occur at about 120k, some sooner, some later. Hopefully it is something less expensive.

Doc Diesel 06-10-2009 02:49 PM

My truck had similar symptoms last weekend. Turned out to be the lift pump. You could try and remove the filter out of the housing, and have someone turn the key over while you are looking at the fuel level in the filter housing. If the level doesnt change, your lift pump is shot. If fuel level goes up, you prob lost your vp44. I hope this helps.

Mopar1973Man 06-12-2009 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by Fiveseven (Post 348476)
I finaly got a code its P 1693 I got by opening the key three times and leaveing it on and it gave me this code. Does any body know what this means?

Here is a write up about the P1693 code...
P1693 codes (SOLO) - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum

Fiveseven 06-16-2009 03:50 PM

I just came back from a small vacation sorry I havent posted an update but I just got back and I went ahead and rented a scanner and I got this two codes P1688 and P0252

Mopar1973Man 06-16-2009 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Fiveseven (Post 351625)
I just came back from a small vacation sorry I havent posted an update but I just got back and I went ahead and rented a scanner and I got this two codes P1688 and P0252

VP44 shot...:w2:

turbo20psi 06-16-2009 07:46 PM

Sorry,Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC) that mean your VP44 needs replaced:
P0216 (this is often refered to as the code of death, this is the most common code for VP44 pump failure)
P1688
P1689
P0215
P0251 - P0260 :booo:

Fiveseven 06-16-2009 10:38 PM

:argh: Well I guess I am going to have to replace it . Is there a particular pump that you guys recommend maybe bluechip ? do you think that I should go ahead and replace the lift pump with a fass or an airdog fuel system ? what series? (I have a 2000 dodge ram 4x4 5spd) I want to thank everybody that pitch in any advice and knowledge thank you !

jkidd 06-17-2009 09:33 AM

You have the standard output pump, SO, 027, and they are know by a few other names. An upgraded fuel pump is a nice addition, but at least make sure you have a low fuel pressure warning light or FP gauge.

Mopar1973Man 06-17-2009 09:00 PM

I would suggest a fuel pressure gauge being that most low pressure light come on way too late most times... Like mine comes on at 4 PSI... By then you already damaged the VP44 from fuel starvation...

Fiveseven 06-17-2009 11:36 PM

Is there any particular gauge you recommend.

Mopar1973Man 06-18-2009 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Fiveseven (Post 352438)
Is there any particular gauge you recommend.

I love my DiPricol's!

http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/person...sure-light.jpg

They are mark in 1/2 PSI increments... And look like stock gauges at night... :U:

jkidd 06-18-2009 10:51 AM

nice gauges, but they are bad about inventory. I had a customer wait almost 3 months for them to have an EGT in stock. It was not normally a special order part. Make sure if you order one that the vendor has them in stock, or go with isspro as they are a good value


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