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CUMMINStagetcha19 07-24-2011 06:28 PM

uhhh HUH? fuel pin tweak went bad!
 
i pulled my afc apart, pulled the pin and diafram out. noted all stock locations. turned pin so deepest slope was on rack. re assembled. result- loss of power. seems as if the boost doesnt get high enough to cycle diafram, thus not working the rack. if you tromp the throttle it acts as if it has a choked filter. but ran like a top(or stock first gen) when i pulled her in the shop. any imput appreciated!

quick03cummins 07-24-2011 06:57 PM

uhhh HUH? fuel pin tweak went bad!
 
Sounds like the main fuel screw needs to be adjusted

CUMMINStagetcha19 07-24-2011 07:03 PM

main fuel as in the smoke screw? or the power adj. screw?

901stgen 07-24-2011 07:15 PM

As you stated, the pin travels based on boost reference. Make sure the reference line going into the pump top has both the copper washers on it. You might have a boost leak. Did you remove the afc spring also? Because that can also cause the rack to stick.

CUMMINStagetcha19 07-24-2011 07:25 PM

no boost leaks from what i can tell. the rack seems as if it set in the closed position from removing the pin, and will not pop back out. is there a spring set on the rack to make it move? the spring is still in the afc.

1arock 07-24-2011 07:32 PM

Sometimes the pin will stick in its bore. Pull the top and see if the pin in free, if not try some penatrating oil a see if it will free up. With the engine off the pin should move out when you open the throttle and be free to slide back in with the throttle closed.When you pulled the fuel pin it forced it into its hole farther than it would normally travel. :rocking:Rocky

RSWORDS 07-24-2011 07:43 PM

Pull your pin. Put some heavy grease on the face of it. Reinsert with deepest part facing the front the truck. Take truck out and run the hell out of it. Pull pin and note the witness mark you just made on the pin. IS it all the way to the deepest part?

I'm guessing boost leak. You did nothing else to loose power. Most likely lost one of the two copper washers on the ref line.

CUMMINStagetcha19 07-24-2011 09:21 PM

no boost leak. i do have the pin in the correct position. i adjusted the power screw(behind and under) the boost supply line. i got my throttle response and some power back but now my idle and full throttle is jacked up... this thing just keeps me guessing:argh:

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and i wouldnt have been able to grease the pin and run the hell out of it. it would barely gain RPM's

jwirth 07-24-2011 11:14 PM

one you shouldn't have turned on the fuel screw until you figured out the other problem first. (ONE THING AT A TIME) you have to adjust idle after adjusting is done on the fuel screw. :argh:

RSWORDS 07-25-2011 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by CUMMINStagetcha19 (Post 777880)
no boost leak. i do have the pin in the correct position. i adjusted the power screw(behind and under) the boost supply line. i got my throttle response and some power back but now my idle and full throttle is jacked up... this thing just keeps me guessing:argh:

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and i wouldnt have been able to grease the pin and run the hell out of it. it would barely gain RPM's

By greesing the pin and running it we can tell of the AFC is working. You should not have messed with your full power screw, put it back till we find your problem. How do you know you don't have a boost leak. Also while the pin is out look in the AFC and hit the throttle. You should see the pin for the rack come out. Push it back in with a screw driver before putting your pin back in.

Did you do anything else to the truck before the problem? Just messing up a AFC adjustment should not make it run as bad as your saying.

tower_ofpower 07-25-2011 08:04 AM

uhhh HUH? fuel pin tweak went bad!
 
This may sound asinine, but is your throttle linkage hooked up? I'm in the process of some mods for a pull and I had to turn my idle down after maxing the pump, I left the throttle linkage unhooked and the return spring on my kickdown cable is what was actually moving my throttle. I had very little If any throttle control. I was quite baffled for a second then it clicked.


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CUMMINStagetcha19 07-25-2011 08:31 PM

ok good news. got her figured.... thank you all of your imput, no matter the idea, it's still something to check into, always good for constructive thinking.... sorry for the lack of organazation and logic with the posts. the throttle issue was i pulled the throttle linkage apart to re attach the spring that had come un done, and it didnt get put back correctly. i still have the issue of the rack not coming out to play. when i work the throttle with the fuel pin out nothing happens. i greased it and worked it like a rented mule and still no sign of the rack tracking in the grease. any ideas?

RSWORDS 07-26-2011 04:20 AM

Have you operated the throttle with the truck off and pin out to see if it pops into the housing? If not hit it with some PB blasyer or equivelent. Push the pin back with a screw driver after you get it to work.

CUMMINStagetcha19 07-27-2011 06:35 PM

i do not have a pin track in the grease. i worked the throttle and the pin will not come out. it is currently soaking in PB.

CUMMINStagetcha19 07-31-2011 09:36 PM

well i got the pin working. there is a small plug on the afc housing on the throttle bolt side of the rack, opened her up and had to TAP the pin to move it. once moved, the rack was free.:jump::rocking: shied diesel told me to remove the pump so they could fix it, cause there was no other way.... bull shnit:dang:

tower_ofpower 08-01-2011 05:36 AM

uhhh HUH? fuel pin tweak went bad!
 
Keep an eye on the weep hole in the back of the pump, don't
Be suprised if you start to dribble some diesel out of it. Usually when a
Pin is set up like that once it's free it then takes it's toll on that o-ring. Then again it could be smooth sailing. But good job man, glad you got it working again.


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RSWORDS 08-03-2011 10:23 AM

Meh.... Most the tuned and aftermarket pins will cause it to leak a little. Won't hurt a damn thing, its real slow.

tower_ofpower 08-03-2011 11:06 AM

uhhh HUH? fuel pin tweak went bad!
 
I've been pretty lucky lol, popped the pin out once and had a little weep but it's gone. I was just assuming since his seemed to be set up so bad


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