Does it count if i said smoke was overrated? lol The reason i say that is i just dont think smoke is a big deal. I could have power with smoke or power with no smoke. Doesnt bother me in the slightest.

Come on guys you can't have a mechanical IP all cranked up for power without black smoke, you can tune the afc as Richie said to minumize it but it's still gona be there.

The ( kids ) with a vp44 or common rail with tunners that turn-um to the highest setting and blow around town trying to look (COOL) are the ones that do the most harm to the diesel sport.

because they don't use any restraint or common sence when deciding when and where to blow thick smoke.

Yes I have done it on occation, and still do, but you gotta use a little brain.

Just my opinion. :hellox:

Ritchie, I don't think any of us saying wanton 'use' of smoke is saying no smoke is possible with our trucks. All we're saying is that smoke used recklessly is not a good thing. And I think you agree with that, no? We're not saying that it's bad, period. We're saying that sitting at an intersection and smoking it out or leaving a big old cloud in front of another vehicle while they're driving is stupid and dangerous, and makes us all look bad.

I agree, but there are these threads everywhere saying " you don't need smoke to make power " and that is not the truth. I have seen a few trucks that can make super power with little smoke, but those are spray happy trucks. 99% of the time a mechanical truck thats pill'ed up smokes.

more explaning is needed for some of the nubes
Come on guys you can't have a mechanical IP all cranked up for power without black smoke
These right here are the two statements that got me wonderin where I'm screwed up. So is smoke bad or is it good. Am I a nube or just confused. I don't even know what I am now. I think I'll have another cold drink and ponder this for a while:badpun::rocking:Rocky

Maybe diesel bombers should stop using a stack blowing smoke to indicate when someone is online? Since you guys dont like smoke!:td:

My old '93 didn't smoke when I got it but as soon as we messed with the pump she'd smoke alot if I put my foot in it so for smoke control I used the following....It's called common sense and your right foot.

I have 0 problem with smoke at the track or if a guy is pulling a heavy load but the dicks that smoke out everything everywhere and all the how do I make smoke threads get old.

Alright, lets see if we can't compress some of this into a semblance of order.


We're taking a lot of conversation to get this point across. And I think that most if not all the posters agree on this.

I haven't seen a post that say's this in this particular thread, but I'm not reading every other forum out there either.

This^^^ is what we're talking about. :tu:



I dunno, seems like we've gotten WAY off topic. :argh: Apologies to the OP, and apologies to those of you who either disagree or got lost along the way. Bottom line is, SMOKE IS NOT BAD!!!!! And sometimes, on rare occasions, smoke can be your friend. :c:

As far as fixed timing goes...
one of the benefits of the VE is dynamic timing.

That being said, no you can't make a lot of power with a mechanically injected truck and have no smoke unless you spray it. I've tried to tune my truck to be very drivable and not kill everyone behind me, but you know what...it will still smoke if you lug it or mash the pedal to the floor. :humm:

When ignorant people say something to me about it, I just tell them if they can tune a VE to make more power than me with no smoke, I'll pay them to tune mine. :moon:

The thing that gets to me is seeing the kid that just got his drivers license hammering on his truck and smoking everyone around and its not even fast. :td: If your truck is going to smoke it at least needs to have some balls. :rocking:

Would it help in the penance department if a horizontal plume were referred to as an air-turd?

Funny/embarrassing story: had some go-fast work done to mine while I was out of the country 11years ago. Was on its maiden voyage, and finally was at the head of the line at a red light.

Light went green, and I got my first opportunity for a WOT departure.

:scare2:

The poor gal to the right and behind was instantly engulfed in temporary SPF-100 :td:

Henceforth, I reserved "the treatment" for jerkoffs that needed it. :w2:

Blowing smoke is like drinking..... if its done in moderation, nobody cares. But if its done all the time, its annoying and ridiculous. :c:

lollol That's it in a nutshell. :D

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This has been bugging me ever since this was posted, and believe me, I've been trying to let it go and move on. :argh: I have no problem with it, I'm just trying to figure it out. Call it a nagging question if you will. :humm: By fixed timing, I personally was referring to cam lobes. The injectors can only deliver their fuel at a certain point in time, there is no variance on the fly. We set it and forget it.
But you say the VE has dynamic timing, and I know M&H has that little device to enhance that trait in our pumps. But how does 'dynamic timing' work? The injectors are still attached to the cam lobes, right? So timing is still essentially 'fixed.' :humm:

The VE advances timing as the engine revs. If you hotwire the ksb on an intercooled pump, or remove power from the ksb on a non-intercooled pump, you lock the timing at its advanced state.



As for exactly how it works, I'm not the best to answer that. The vane pump increases case pressure with rpm and moves the advance piston I believe. The ksb increases case pressure and therefore timing. This is somewhat of a generic answer, but hopefully it helps.



Here's a link with some good info about the inner workings of the VE with a section about the timing advance.

https://www.dieselbombers.com/1st-ge...operation.html