Well Im pretty sure my torque converter took a $#!@ today...
 

Does anybody know how much those Goerend torque converters are for the 727's or what my best options would be at this point? What is the price difference between stock and aftermarket. im beyond broke already and now Im without a vehicle for the second time in a month after 3 years of reliable service out of my Dodge, that thing is killin me here lately

if you are strapped for cash buy a cheap one off fleabay.... it will get you rolling better than you are now..... then in the future get the tranny built up nice with a good converter.....

that is what i would do.....

Thanks Ben, I had it towed to the shop they are gonna look at tomorrow. It has been kinda weak for about the last week and today was the first time i really had a place to get on it for more than a second or two and it shifted thru all 3 gears but was weak feelin power wise, then I felt somethin let go and the engine was revving up with no forward motion anymore. I've got no forward or reverse gears and there is a weird metal grinding noise inside the bellhousing right behind the flywheel and at first there was a few puffs of smoke out of the bottom of the bellhousing after I pulled off with the truck still idling. IDK what happened but the torque converter seems like the logical place to start. I looked at the fluid on the dipstick and it still was red, not burnt at all and right where it is supposed to be fluid level wise.

either the converter or the input shaft, could be both.... i have seen the splines shear off the shaft and the converter on a powerstroke 4 times before the guy decided it was monetarily a better decision to replace the $13 stock input shaft with a billet aftermarket one, he was tired of pulling the tranny every month....

do you hear the tranny shift into the gears when you go from forward to reverse? if not then it is the above, if you can hear a little clunk or hear some grinding then i'd venture to say it is something internal....

could always look at putting a handshaker in there..... but that would be more than getting the auto going.....

what about getting a junk yard tranny put in for the time being? that could be another option....

No, you cant hear it shift gears at all. Something right up in the front sounds likie it is grinding on the flywheel, could even hear it while the starter was turning to fire it back up. I forgot I had my new manual fuel shutoff cable off pulled out and cranked the engine over a few times. Hopefully it wont be any big deal, the transmission has been a good one and was rebuilt right before I bought the truck.

torque converter bolts.... if they are not tight they will rub the bell housing I have run into that on a couple instances

Will that make the truck not move anymore?

it will make that noise and if all snapped it wont move. input shaft could also have snapped and also the transmission could have bit the dust mine was rebuilt before i bought it and it bit the dust recently. no reverse and slipping in forward gears when I got it home

My money's on his flexplate has the center hub torn out (a common thing with stock/OEM 1st gens). :pca1:

- Replace it with a stock 2nd gen flexplate. ;)

Does anybody have any pictures or drawings of what is in there? I cant say I've ever pulled an automatic transmission out of anything

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Jason I have a stock 1st gen replacemant you can have. (if I can find it) its not much better then what you had but it is free.

David on a side note... The one I pulled out of mine looked like this, never seen a solid one... Was this a stocker?

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my question is if the center is broken out how can the starter turn the motor over to crank it?

Thats a good thought. I'm hopefully gonna find somethin out first thing in the mornin about what exactly broke. When I do, I'll let you know

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Well, looks like its tranny rebuild time. The rebuild kit is 95 dollars, plu the torque converter and whatever else is broken. Book labor on it is 5.6 hrs to take the transmission out and put it back in and 7.3hrs to take out, rebuild, and put it back. Not soundin like to bad a deal so far. Anybody got any insights they could share. IDK nothin about automatic transmissions

Ben... Get out of here with your common sence and reason!!!

Good thought... :D

Jason you might as well do a performance rebuild while its out...

If I was you I would get a goerend convertor (what I'm running), $650 for a lifetime warrenty bad ass set-up. If not a hughes would not be bad for what you do. Dont get a tranny shop special stock rebuilt convertor, you WILL be sorry. Have the shop put a shift kit in it also, A transgo is about $100. Get some GOOD aftermarket performance clutches, They are not much more!

ya do something better than stock.... i wouldn't trust a $95 tire to put the power to the ground.... why would you trust a $95 transmission kit to do the same?

Good point ben!

Here you go Jason, Find you a kit! You dont need all teh crazy had parts but you DO need some red eagle clutches and new bands for that bad boy!

PATC 46RE 47RE 48RE Transmissions, Performance Transmission A518, 518

I think teh k4 kit will work fro your tranny, It has teh cluthes, steels, bands, and shift kit. call them. They are real good guys.

That all sounds good and all fellas. But yall forget who you r talkin too. I'm broke, in school, broke, gettin ready to lose my job, and broke, and vehicle less. i gotta have this thing back yesterday and hopefully I'll do the performance build next time when I am out of this shitty situation here. Thanks for all the help fellas :c: :c:

Jason that *$95* rebuild kit will be that much or more by the time he gets in tehre and relizes that the bands and what not are shot.

And DO NOT put a tranny shop convertor in it. The truck will be junk. A hughes is like $300 and will be PERFECT for what you do. If nothing else skimp on the rest and get the Hughes convertor.

They finally got the truck all taken apart on Saturday and come to find out it is just the flexplate so Im hopefully gonna get one tomorrow and get the tranny back in and rollin

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The 2nd gen flexplates will work on a 1989 with a 727 right?

i still wander how a flexplate can break yet a starter can turn the broken flexplate to crank the truck...... can we cat pictures of how it broke?

I'm glad that's all there was to it. :tu:

Me too :tu:

Jason I want a pic of the flex plate... I wonder how the hell it started...

And yes you WANT a 2nd gen flex plate... Its a bolt up item.

Why not cough up for teh convertor while its out?

Cuz I had to spend $330 on a rental car and all the labor for the guy working on the truck plus Im takin a $500 CFI class and flying trying to finish that up. Ive spent way to much money already this month. I think I've exceeded my monthly income by about $3000.

Ill try to get pictures of it, hopefully he didnt throw it away. I was in a major hurry tryin to get to Cummins and to the shop and still make it to class on time this morning. It broke right around the outside of the holes for the torque converter, maybe 1/2 inch or so, and its clean, looks like you cut it with a plasma torch. :c:

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Oh and BTW I got the 2nd gen flex plate, $117 from Cummins.

The part number for future reference if anybody needs it is: 3975464

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Here is requested pictures

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Holy crap!

and the truck would crank up?

The guy in the shop started it, made all sorts of noise from what he said. I bet it was hanging on by a thread and that finished it off!

you ever tried to turn over one of these motors by hand? takes more than a thread to turn one of these high compression beasts over.....

IDK, its crazy but Im glad thats all it was. That cost me more than enough money. Only problem Ive got now is my 4wd Engaged light is on and I've shifted the Tcase through all the gears but the light doesnt go off. Anybody got any ideas? I need to get somebody else to drive it while I look and see what the front driveshaft is doin

The sencor is probably not in right. If I remeber right it is a switch on teh Transfer case not in the lever