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pipeliner1000 11-29-2010 03:38 PM

new 12v : )
 
mk yall, i just got a 97, i want 800hp for the street, wat i gotta do? like SPECIFICALLY wat injectors and wat other turbo and dv s etc. thanx : )

tower_ofpower 11-29-2010 04:01 PM

new 12v : )
 
Any other bills other than the truck? Lol I heard once that you break the 500-600 horse mark it turns into a constant maintenance issue. I've heard of 700 hp streetable trucks but other mods were done for the trucks to stay together along with modified driving styles... Quick way to get big power with out lag would be compound turbo's. S300 over an S400 are popular. Or a large single
Charger. Cant help ya too much with injector size, 5x.016??? Someone chip in here. Depends on who you talk to about DV's some say they help others don't. Trying to achieve 800 DV's are probably a good idea. Find a fuel plate you like. You're going to want an aftermarket fuel system. Gotta make sure your drivetrain can handle it all too, automatics are expensive, smokin clutches is cheaper but still add up so you're going to want to
Beef everything up. Goerend
Is like the Cadillac for automatics, they can build an auto for what ever you need to handle. Southbend and valair are two of the best names in clutches, everyone has positive and negative opinions of them. It's all about preference.

blazier18 11-29-2010 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by tower_ofpower (Post 658955)
Any other bills other than the truck? Lol I heard once that you break the 500-600 horse mark it turns into a constant maintenance issue. I've heard of 700 hp streetable trucks but other mods were done for the trucks to stay together along with modified driving styles... Quick way to get big power with out lag would be compound turbo's. S300 over an S400 are popular. Or a large single
Charger. Cant help ya too much with injector size, 5x.016??? Someone chip in here. Depends on who you talk to about DV's some say they help others don't. Trying to achieve 800 DV's are probably a good idea. Find a fuel plate you like. You're going to want an aftermarket fuel system. Gotta make sure your drivetrain can handle it all too, automatics are expensive, smokin clutches is cheaper but still add up so you're going to want to
Beef everything up. Goerend
Is like the Cadillac for automatics, they can build an auto for what ever you need to handle. Southbend and valair are two of the best names in clutches, everyone has positive and negative opinions of them. It's all about preference.

good info for a start! i once made a thread on here wantin 700 hp and i learned alot. now im busy swappin transmissions auctually waitin on shippin lol anyways 800hp to the wheels is alot to deal with. your gonna have to build your motor top to bottm. a different cam different pistons, rods, pushrods, bigger pump, port and polished head fire ring it, different valves retainers sdx 5x0.020 injectors would be wat i would want. im missing alot alot. but if i wanted a 800hp motor id find a 12 valve motor itself and build it and have your stock one for back up. your gonna spend lots and lots and lots of money just on the motor and tranny.

big willy 11-29-2010 05:38 PM

x2 on what both these guys said and tranny wise you mind as well get you a full billet suncoast tranny with triple disc converter and a bad a flex plate

not trying to threadjack here but no point in making a thread for this question would i need pump work to push 500 hp?

pipeliner1000 11-29-2010 07:09 PM

lol, no other bills cept insurance on wat has turned out to b 3 dodge 1tons.... and its a 5spd so obviously a clutch, o and deff twins, i was hopen to just add another undernieth stock....hopen..... and headwork was all i was intending to do, so is it still possible with no cam,o and maybe ill settle for 800 with no2 and propane and water....

blazier18 11-29-2010 07:11 PM

more than likely yes and no. itd be hard i think imo to get 500 hp without pump work. theres all sorts of different ways to get 500hp. you have a 160 pump? 181 dv's would be a good start when u get bigger injectors. theres alot of ways to answer this ill chime in better after somebody gets a good start or make a thred of it

monster12valve 11-29-2010 07:32 PM

u can hit 500hp with out benching the pump.. a gsk... dv's... and a good afc tune on the pump will be plenty for 500hp on the pump end of things.

blazier18 11-29-2010 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by pipeliner1000 (Post 659076)
lol, no other bills cept insurance on wat has turned out to b 3 dodge 1tons.... and its a 5spd so obviously a clutch, o and deff twins, i was hopen to just add another undernieth stock....hopen..... and headwork was all i was intending to do, so is it still possible with no cam,o and maybe ill settle for 800 with no2 and propane and water....

ha ha i aint never had anything with 800hp, never drove anything with 800hp but ive seen 800hp trucks but they were on a trailer lol. ur gonna want a diff cam when u flow ur pump quite a bit

94 12valve 11-29-2010 08:32 PM

800 on nitrous is a lot easier than 800 on fuel

blazier18 11-29-2010 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by 94 12valve (Post 659162)
800 on nitrous is a lot easier than 800 on fuel

kaboom lol the dave swank when r we gonna hook trucks up

94 12valve 11-29-2010 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by blazier18 (Post 659167)
kaboom lol the dave swank when r we gonna hook trucks up

lol, I'm no one special ... but let me put the rear back in the truck than is whenever your ready lol

blazier18 11-29-2010 09:11 PM

ha ha well ill be puttin my 5 speed in and ill drive up there and ill help u put that rearend in and ill pull u back down to tennessee lol

94 12valve 11-29-2010 09:18 PM

lol

blazier18 11-29-2010 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by 94 12valve (Post 659193)
lol

any suggestions before i put it in? anything to look for

crzycummins 11-29-2010 09:31 PM

yea make sure all the hydros are good or your not gonna be shiftin that manual

94 12valve 11-29-2010 09:32 PM

fix the 5th gear nut problem, upgrade the input shaft, and go with a dual disk

blazier18 11-29-2010 10:10 PM

how do i check them id imagine everything is good but just never fooled with one

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Originally Posted by 94 12valve (Post 659208)
fix the 5th gear nut problem, upgrade the input shaft, and go with a dual disk

how do i fix 5th gear nut, upgrading the input shaft will be later when funds and dual disk is when im gettin the twins but good advice

94 12valve 11-30-2010 11:06 AM

https://www.dieselbombers.com/12-val...-5th-gear.html

big willy 12-02-2010 02:06 AM


Originally Posted by monster12valve (Post 659097)
u can hit 500hp with out benching the pump.. a gsk... dv's... and a good afc tune on the pump will be plenty for 500hp on the pump end of things.

ok well im getting 4k gsk and 60lb valve springs for christmas and you can see what else im going to do or have done in my sig any advice would be appreciated

blazier18 12-02-2010 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by big willy (Post 660393)
ok well im getting 4k gsk and 60lb valve springs for christmas and you can see what else im going to do or have done in my sig any advice would be appreciated

wat are you needin advice on?

big willy 12-02-2010 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by blazier18 (Post 660400)
wat are you needin advice on?

that's a good question..... i guess on like how bad will i need head studs and whats some good ones to get and stuff like that

blazier18 12-02-2010 09:55 PM

i wouldnt imagine u would need them unless u bumped timing or run good psi

big willy 12-03-2010 01:58 AM

well I've got an S300 turbo that came off a twin set up so im just guessing I'll be pushing around 40-50 psi? and I'll probably move my timing to 16.5 since that seems to be what I've noticed is what everyone with a 12v turns it to

blazier18 12-03-2010 02:06 AM

depends on fuel how much boost u have, second headstuds and a thicker gasket wouldnt hurt at all but i cant tell u if u need to wait till the gaskets goes or go ahead and do it. thats ur call i wish i could help u more

big willy 12-03-2010 02:09 AM

alright well im almost thinking i will be fine on the head gasket i know a guy that is pushing 70 lbs of boost and had the stock on there and replaced it just for the heck of it.. but he is in a 04 CR

94 12valve 12-03-2010 05:55 AM

why would you want a thicker head gasket? ... unless your decking the block or head use a stock thickness gasket

blazier18 12-03-2010 12:49 PM

thats rite i had my head oringed and a fire ringed gasket

94 12valve 12-03-2010 02:23 PM

with o rings your suposed to use a normal head gasket ... fire rings require a different gasket

BRE 12-03-2010 03:55 PM

FYI 70 pounds on stock gasket and headbolts on a 12v will not hunt...

cummins power 97 12-03-2010 04:33 PM

:jump:

big willy 12-04-2010 02:29 AM

lol oh im not going to be pushing 70lbs of boost by no means i'll have 50 at the most i don't have the money to spend on twins and a suncoast tranny and all that other fun stuff i'd need for that

BRE 12-04-2010 01:31 PM

In my honest opinion your pushing the limits with 50 with stock head bolts. But its only my .02 and it all depends on the truck, your driving style, and your luck

blazier18 12-04-2010 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by BRE (Post 661630)
In my honest opinion your pushing the limits with 50 with stock head bolts. But its only my .02 and it all depends on the truck, your driving style, and your luck

thats the truth some of us aint got no luck if it wasn't for bad lol:s:

big willy 12-04-2010 08:46 PM

well i've been lucky so far with this truck (knock on wood) the only things that have ever messed up have been electric stuff

blazier18 12-05-2010 07:58 AM

heard that and i think u will be fine pushing 50 u can retorque your head bolts down. im not sure wat order u do it or wat torque u go to but im sure it would help for a while. im gonna wastgate my turbo at 35 psi and call it done.

94 12valve 12-05-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by blazier18 (Post 661867)
heard that and i think u will be fine pushing 50 u can retorque your head bolts down. im not sure wat order u do it or wat torque u go to but im sure it would help for a while. im gonna wastgate my turbo at 35 psi and call it done.

Attachment 44180

Step1- all bolts to 66 ft.lbs.
Step2- all bolts to 89 ft.lbs.
Step3- rotate all bolts an additional 90degrees

thats how the stock bolts are torqued. most will take step 3 to 135 ft/lbs. If you are going to retorque your head bolts make sure there not stretched out first or they could break

Also when your done you have to reset your valve lash

big willy 12-05-2010 01:48 PM

im guessing a nice big torque wrench would work good for this? and how exactly do i get to this because i've never even though about messing with them until now?

BRE 12-05-2010 02:09 PM

Well your gonna have to pull all the valve covers first, and yes a big torque wrench is necessary because after 26 bolts it tends to get a little old!

JBradley500 12-05-2010 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by big willy (Post 661958)
im guessing a nice big torque wrench would work good for this? and how exactly do i get to this because i've never even though about messing with them until now?

on my 1st gen i have to undo the injector lines at the injectors and take out a couple of bolts that the injector line brackets are mounted with... then the injector lines will move out of your way. if you dont do that you cant get to a hand full of bolts. also youll need to undo one small hose (i believe for the heater core lines) to get to bolt number "26".

blazier18 12-05-2010 04:30 PM

wat you mean rotate all the bolts? and sayin make sure there not stretched rite?


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