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angelic0- 12-30-2013 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by 94 12valve (Post 1041766)
you aint ready for this :choochoo:

You neither....

Signature gets updated once i put the motor back in the truck :D

94 12valve 12-30-2013 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by angelic0- (Post 1041792)
You neither....

Signature gets updated once i put the motor back in the truck :D

I guess I could do the same ... been wanting to do a build thread for a while just never got around to it

4x4manonbroke 01-01-2014 09:19 PM

I think the winner makes the most tire smoke either way ....LOL :rocking::rocking::rocking::rocking::tu::tu:

angelic0- 01-02-2014 01:16 AM


Originally Posted by 94 12valve (Post 1041812)
I guess I could do the same ... been wanting to do a build thread for a while just never got around to it

I will post a detailed build thread in the coming weeks...

It's stripping down to the frame, and building it from there kind of stuff :)

Putting a front locker in, drivetrain will be 250%, now it all comes down to holding the motor together with ~1000hp on fuel and the 300hp of laughing gas ;)

Currently looking into a mack variable timing gear for my p7100...

94 12valve 01-02-2014 06:11 PM

I have never been a fan of drugs so I keep my truck off them :c:

On a more serious note what turbos are you planning on running for 1000k on fuel?

heffer hauler 01-02-2014 06:48 PM

I own a 06 3500 5.9 cummins and a 96 f250 460 they have both been great trucks and pull great. I am a ford truck man but I love the cummins 5.9. I have to put my money on the dodge. If it was gas on gas the 460 is the beast of all gas it's a great engine and tuff as nails.

angelic0- 01-03-2014 02:46 AM

I'm thinking about using my Super 40 (16cm) over S4T (Big Bro)...

If unable to archeive the desired results i will update the HX40 to a Silver 66..

I might even build the Silver66/S4T setup and make them interchange-able, so that on race-day i will run the Big bro setup and for street manners i will change to my HX40/HX60 setup...

turbo2332 01-03-2014 05:23 AM

an hx40 will never get you to 1000hp not even close

angelic0- 01-03-2014 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by turbo2332 (Post 1042375)
an hx40 will never get you to 1000hp not even close

Did see 800hp with the HX60 primary ;)

turbo2332 01-03-2014 05:09 PM

your hx60 will loose HP with the hx40 on top of it.

94 12valve 01-03-2014 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by angelic0- (Post 1042385)
Did see 800hp with the HX60 primary ;)


Still 200+hp off the ole s480 :)

turbo2332 01-03-2014 08:19 PM

ive got a geo that lays down more than that.

94 12valve 01-03-2014 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by turbo2332 (Post 1042451)
ive got a geo that lays down more than that.

after you give the gerbil spinning that wheel some red bull ... it may hit 200hp :pca1:

turbo2332 01-03-2014 09:33 PM

lol i bet its in the 70hp range. but my 4x4 gets 30mpg! and it is pink! my cool factor is through the roof

4x4manonbroke 01-03-2014 09:36 PM

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!! :lol::D:lol88::spit:

JBearSVT 01-04-2014 07:12 AM

I want to put that quote in my mig so bad lol...

angelic0- 01-04-2014 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by turbo2332 (Post 1042423)
your hx60 will loose HP with the hx40 on top of it.

LoL wtf?

turbo2332 01-04-2014 01:06 PM

singles make more power its not a secret. your choking the big charger with the little one on the top to aid in street manners. it will still be roughty but the 60 by itself will net you more HP set-up correctly.

JBearSVT 01-04-2014 02:15 PM

Roughty...?

angelic0- 01-04-2014 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by turbo2332 (Post 1042542)
singles make more power its not a secret. your choking the big charger with the little one on the top to aid in street manners. it will still be roughty but the 60 by itself will net you more HP set-up correctly.

Of course singles make more HP, but i'm shooting for a truck with street manners...

It's a rather good street truck as is, EGTs are not crazy and it spools rather quick with a 16cm and 32cm HX40/HX60 combo... 800hp on compounds with EGTs ok is impressive i think...

94 12valve 01-04-2014 10:16 PM

is that 800 flywheel or 800 ground?

4x4manonbroke 01-04-2014 11:19 PM

I would say flywheel ...

turbo2332 01-05-2014 08:01 AM

where is your dyno sheet? i personally see a red flag come up when people claim even numbers.

94 12valve 01-05-2014 09:07 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Attachment 34480

its an even number:w2:

JBearSVT 01-05-2014 09:12 AM

I don't think he meant an even number simply as apposed to odd number.

:humm:

turbo2332 01-05-2014 09:19 AM

see 548 not 450 or 500 or 800. my point was there are a lot of guessers out there that dont have dyno sheets to prove there butt dynos.

94 12valve 01-05-2014 09:26 AM

I know what you were saying its the same reason I asked my first question

turbo2332 01-05-2014 10:23 AM

whats up with your TQ numbers why so low?
i dont have a legit current dyno as Schieds F'd me over by about 200hp @ the extravaganza. but 2 turbos ago and a set of injectors i was 426.9hp and 960tq
you do have about 1k R's more than me though, my bell is a lot earlier

94 12valve 01-05-2014 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by turbo2332 (Post 1042664)
whats up with your TQ numbers why so low?
i dont have a legit current dyno as Schieds F'd me over by about 200hp @ the extravaganza. but 2 turbos ago and a set of injectors i was 426.9hp and 960tq
you do have about 1k R's more than me though, my bell is a lot earlier

single s480, no rear brakes, and big rear gears on a chassis dyno are why. Max boost was 15psi on that run and it hit max boost round 4400rpm. before that boost was around 5ish

turbo2332 01-05-2014 11:07 AM

what do you think of this guys air filter cooler?

12 Valve Cummins Performance Parts, 2.6 Puller

JBearSVT 01-05-2014 11:09 AM

That's hot. No pun intended.

94 12valve 01-05-2014 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by turbo2332 (Post 1042671)
what do you think of this guys air filter cooler?

12 Valve Cummins Performance Parts, 2.6 Puller

Personally I dout it actually makes a bit of a difference. depending on how its set up it could hurt performance had to tell from the pictures tho

turbo2332 01-05-2014 01:11 PM

i think if it had water veins over the actual filter portion it would be radiating much much colder air. pretty neat idea though

94 12valve 01-05-2014 01:40 PM

you don't want to add any restriction of the air entering the turbo tho that will hurt performance just like running with a clogged air filter

turbo2332 01-05-2014 01:46 PM

no im saying like as in an air box lid. leave the 4 inch inlet alone and build a top for this cooler that has veins in it so it draws air past the veins and cools the air before it gets to the filter. like a radiator with a NO2 cooler just with cold water. (kinda)

IbeCummins02 01-05-2014 05:02 PM

is this on asphalt or dirt? if I was doin it in the dirt id try to dig a hole so he couldn't pull me back and on asphalt id hold the brakes till he broke lose then punch the throttle

94 12valve 01-06-2014 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by turbo2332 (Post 1042707)
no im saying like as in an air box lid. leave the 4 inch inlet alone and build a top for this cooler that has veins in it so it draws air past the veins and cools the air before it gets to the filter. like a radiator with a NO2 cooler just with cold water. (kinda)


I see what your sayin but I still think the air is goin to move to fast to make a difference when you up on boost.

angelic0- 01-06-2014 07:26 PM

805.1 SAE Horsepower, rather inaccurate though as the dyno would not show torque numbers over 1400ft.lbs... don't have the dyno slip as i just formatted my pc :(

illinoisfox 01-07-2014 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by 94 12valve (Post 1042654)

I have to question this graft!! pun intended.

Torque and Hp always cross at 5252. I know you are not reving that high but at 3,000 rpm you are showing 300 ft.lbs of torque!!!
a 4 clyinder gas motor does that.

turbo2332 01-07-2014 08:33 AM

he explained why. the dyno wasnt loading and his big single wasnt moving hardly any air.


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