Looking for a good AR lower
 

So for my upcoming birthday next month, I'm thinking about building myself an AR as my present. Where can I find a good quality but fairly cheap complete lower? I need to get a complete lower because you have to be 21 to buy a stripped one and a complete one is considered a long arm and can be bought at 18 like any rifle.

I think I've got the upper I want picked out. Its a piston setup by a company called Adams Arms. It seems like a better deal then the Bravo Company upper I was originally looking at.

Piston upper Standard 5.56 Midlength

I heard of these guys from a cop buddy of mine who used their piston kit in the gun he built for his patrol carbine. He said its ran 100% reliably so far. IIRC, I think he said his gun had a 10.5" barrel.

Let me know what ya'll think.

get a plum crazy lower they come complete ith four postion stock for around $120
and here is a crazy price on one great upper Palmetto State Armory Standard 16" 5.56 NATO M4 Upper

do you have any experience with the plum crazy lower? I don't like the idea that half my rifle is plastic.

that upper looks like it would be a great deal but I'm set on a midlength.

i dont but my best friend has one it works great they are suposed to be stronger then the metal one

The Plum Crazy lower is fine for 223/5.56. The lower doesnt really receive the recoil, its all in the upper/buffer tube. Then again I wouldn't put it under a 50beowulf. But it would probably be fine with the 6.8 as well. Is the PC lower a combat lower...no...but it will work fine. And later on you could get a aluminum lower and a dedicated 22lr upper and put the PC on the 22lr upper for a light weight plinker.

If you look around you can find a CMMG Lower for under $100.......

Check out this thread....

AR Lower Receiver FAQ (56k beware) MMS, CMT, LAR, LMT compared... - AR15.COM

I never even thought of doing something like that. I might have to check them out better now with that thought in mind.

I'm building the gun as a tactical carbine. For now it'll be used to kill paper zombies, but IF the stuff ever hits the fan, which I hope it NEVER does, it'll be my go-to gun for stopping real "zombies" that try to come after me and mine. Plus I'm thinking I'm gonna run mostly 62gr 5.56 rounds, but we'll see how many rounds of it I can afford to send downrange. May have to go with 55gr .223 for practice and stock a few thousand of the 62gr 5.56 for a "rainy day".

Any idea where?

The 55gr ammo has a better track record for stopping zombies than the 62gr stuff does...problem with the 62gr is that while it's not armor piercing it is designed as a penetration round and thus punched holes in humans...

I'm not a big fan of the green tipped ammo.....

Get a barrel with 1/8 or 1/9 twist and the 55gr will be fine...and most 1/7 barrels also are accurate with 55gr..


Not long ago here in town at a local gunshop I saw CMMG lowers for $100.....you just have to look around....

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check out these threads

AR15 Discussions: FAQ - AR15.COM

AR15 Ammo Forum FAQ - AR15.COM

Most of the uppers I've looked at are 1/7. Didn't know that about the ammo either. I'd like to see first hand what the differences are(or at lest try to see). Is there anything besides ballistic gel that I could get my hands on to test these that's similar to "zombies"?

Thanks for the links. Will be reading for a while for sure. :tu:

Join the Army and go see what green tip ammo actually does to zombies in asscrackastan....:humm::humm::humm::humm:

I'll take your word for it.

Just got a flyer in the mail from SOG, they had 2 different brands of stripped AR15 receivers for around $80....

Well, I feel like a complete idiot. Everything I found online indicted that you had to be 21 to get a stripped lower. I called a gun shop today and they told my I could buy one and that it was the same as buying a complete one. So I'm going with a stripped lower.

After a quick chat with my cop buddy today, he is gonna help me build the complete rifle piece by piece. He doesn't like to pay for the assembly work when he can do it himself, and I don't blame him, I've just never done this before so I was going for the easiest route.

Your gunshop does not know what they are talking about...

stripped AR15 lowers are transferred as "other" on the 4473 & that means they can be built as a rifle, or as a pistol and thus they can't legally be sold to somebody under 21...

http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=27183
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=27184

Got a link to that so I can print it out?

When I called this guy at the gun shop, which is one that I've never dealt with before but had been referred to by 2 other friends, and told him that I was looking for a complete lower because it was my understanding that a person has to be 21 to buy a stripped lower, the guy's response was "I've never heard of that before, and if that's true then its new under the Obama administration and I haven't been informed." Needless to say I'm not doing business with that shop. Besides that fact, he quoted me $100 for a stripped lower which I thought was a bit steep knowing I could get them cheaper online, even after shipping and transfer fee.

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Found it.

It is also illegal to sell a lower that's been assembled to a minor...you can not purchase a lower with a stock/pistolgrip and LPK installed...all you can legally purchase via gun dealer is a fully built/completed AR15...

And having a friend buy it & then give/sell to you is called a straw purchase and a federal felony...

A complete lower should be legal for me to buy because it has a buttstock that indicates its meant to be a rifle.

From that letter you posted: "This is because a frame or receiver does not have the features required for a rifle or shotgun (e.g., a buttstock indicating it is designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder), or a pistol or revolver (e.g., a weapon with a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore)." That should mean that a completed lower is a rifle and that anyone over 18 can buy it.

What it should be and what it is are 2 different things....

Per ATF's any AR15 that is not sold as a fully built and complete AR is to be sold as "other" and not to anybody under the age of 21.

Call the ATF and ask....

For budget I like the Nadak Spuds better then anything out there.... $65... Deffinatly better fit and finish then CMMG.

You can also get a Del-ton rifle kit. They start at $450ish and have a ton of options to pick from and order this lower for $60:tu:

I can't even buy a completed lower because the ATF says its still a receiver. So I have to buy a complete rifle. I'm gonna be checking out some cheap rifle just to use the lower because I don't really feel like waiting another year till I'm 21 to build this rifle.

Why not buy a quality AR15...not a $2K one, but a good quality one...a nice optic (or just run some iron sights) several cases of ammo & shoot it, learn the rifle & then take a class....

Learning the weapon system 1st, how to shoot it & then build one as you will know/understand the weapon so much better & more what you want.

So many people want to jump right in, building, buying parts/pieces and end up loosing money...not knowing how the weapon works...and wasting lots of time..

What do you suggest for a rifle? What I was thinking was buying something like an olympic arms or whatever I could pick up fairly cheap and build my own upper. Whatever I buy, I'm not going to jump into building right away. I'll go out and shoot it just because its new.

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Are there any differences between a 5.56 lower and a .22LR lower? I was looking at complete rifles on gunbroker and accidentally clicked on one that was a .22LR and it was NIB for 499. Just wondering if that might work to build a 5.56 upper for and then I'd also have a dedicated .22 upper...:humm:

Good AR
 

I would buy a Stag. Stag has been making parts for all the major manufacturers (S&W, Bushmaster, and yes....even Colt!). They are a solid manufacturer. I bought mine for $789. If not stag, then Smith and Wesson. S&W finally took what they learned from Stag, who used to make almost 100% of S&W rifle parts, and began producing their own rifle. Just so you know that you can trust what I say, I am a certified AR Armorer. I have been a member of a SWAT team in western PA for 4 years. I am the ATL of the precision marksman/observer element of the team. all ARs ARE NOT THE SAME. trust me. If you want piston driven, SAVE your moey and buy ADCOR. They have developed a solid one piece piston that is mated to the gas key. No other piston driven rifle will be able to keep up w/ it. It is based on the same concept as the AK47, but it is still an AR. Any other questons, just ask. Good Luck.