Rampfart loads all his social work pistols with double tap ammo Doubletapammo Shop

Right now Rampy's 45 is loaded with the following ammo in 8 rd mags.
Caliber : .45ACP
Bullet : 230gr. Bonded Defense JHP (Gold Dot)
Ballistics : 1010fps/ 521 ft./lbs. - 5" 1911

Then you have (but Rampy does not have any of this ammo)
Caliber : .45ACP
Bullet : 185gr. Bonded Defense JHP(gold dot)
Ballistics : 1225fps - 616 ft./lbs. - 5" 1911

Rumpsters 357Sig's (Sig 239 and 229) are loaded with the following ammo:
3.5" barrel - 1415fps
4.5" barrel - 1525fps

Caliber : .357 Sig
Bullet : 125gr. Bonded Defense JHP (gold dot)
Ballistics : 1450fps / 584 ft. lbs. 4"bbl


And as a comparison:
The 165gr Bonded Defense JHP @ 1200fps from a Glock 23!

1140fps 476 ft/lbs from a 3.5"bbl.
1240fps 563 ft/lbs from a 4.5"bbl.

Caliber : .40 S&W
Bullet : Bonded Defense JHP
Ballistics : 165gr. @ 1200fps / 528 ft/lbs- Glock 23 (4.0"bbl)

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That's douchenozzle to you oh wise and smart one :moon::moon::moon:

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How about does real chili have beans and meat, or just meat and no beans....

Is chili without beans just hot dog sauce....

That was kinda my point. S&W's argument FOR the .40 over the 9mm and .45 was based on select pistol + ammo combinations. I just turned it around to work against them.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the .40. I don't own one but 2 of my brothers do, a Springfield XDm and a S&W M&P. They love them. I've shot them both (the guns, not the brothers) and they both shoot well and have more than enough grunt to knock the wheels out from under the most determined bad guy, but it does nothing more than it's competition and as stated above, with select loads, the competition can kick the .40's ass.

That one's easy. A springfield M1A SOCOM loaded with Hornady TAP.:tu::ha:

Just for the record, I like the .45 "best," too.

Some more light reading:

The Sight 1911 .45 ACP Page

Good info...

All personal opinions and feelings of others aside, what caliber you carry is extremly dependent on what you like, what you feel comfortable with what you feel fits your needs/wants desires the best.

At least till the phaser and 40megawat laser rifle are standard in gunshops....

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Ran across this today by somebody who's extremly well versed in the handgun/firearms world and dang if it just ain't the honest truth.....

In many regards, they (1911 45 autos) are like a good .44 magnum. No matter what you compare a 1911 to, you will never feel outgunned having one. They truly are a legend in the gun world and owning one is the best way to really understand why.

well guess what, my guns bigger than yours nah na nah na nah!

I think it boils down to bigger is better. A .45 will get the job DONE! but is most cases so will a 9mm, .40 S&W ect. ect.

People get too concerned about the size of their gun and one would hope they don't forget that their SKILL with it is far more important. Though having a big ol 45 on your hip lends you a certain "bad ass" factor that a 9mm or .40 might not. The common saying goes " a 9mm may expand but a .45 will never get smaller"

Whatever you feel like carrying as long as you have a dependable gun, good ammo, and can use it in a stressful situation, the caliber is pretty much unimportant. Unless your talking .22s or something but lets not get carried away lol

Its basically like deciding between a .30-06 or a .308. If your hunting deer who the hell cares? Both will get the job done extremely well. Use whichever one you like best.

So says the man with a 9mm. A makarov no less. Does that mean my internet willie is bigger than yours? lol

Mine is a Glock 19. Will do whatever I need.

Mr. Miyagi's pictures was wonderfull! I'm picking up my 10mm sometime at the end of the week(don't know when I can get back into the gunstore for sure). It's a 1911 with a 10mm top end. I'm not going to bash any of the other calibers, but in the last 5+yrs, that I have been wanting a 10mm, and read/researched as much as I could. The 10mm was the result of the FBI trying to design the perfect pistol cartridge for their agents. And it performs amazing(from what I have read) but then they decided that it had too much bite for them. Same thing happened with both the 357 mag, and the 41 mag. Bot intended for law enforcement, both have great performance, but both fell out due to excessive recoil. The 357 to the 38 special, and the 41 also to the old stand by of the 38. Recoil is not the enemy, just practice and learn to control it. Just a little info, I do own multipule 41mags, a 357, have owned 2 44mags, 22/22mag, and the 10mm is on its way. But honestly with me, some of the apeal of the 10mm is that in isn't very popular, like the 41mag. I just like haveing stuff that other people don't have, hence my disdain for the great little chevy small block, and my lust to own an AMC Gremlin!:jump:

good info but i think one more pistol should be added to the top of the list.....The Taurus Jugde... 410ga., 45 long colt.

Taurus just upped the ante with their new Raging Judge Magnum. "What's this" you say? It's a blend of their super-popular Judge and their Raging Bull line of revolvers. This resulted in a massive 6-shot revolver that lets you stoke it with your choice of .45 Long Colt, 2 1/2"-3" .410 shot shells and .454 Casull!

You ain't gonna conceal it on your person without anything less than a briefcase, but I'm guessing there ain't a critter in North America the Raging judge Magnum couldn't save your hide from.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-judge-magnum/

My Buddie has the Judge and said unless you stick it in their belly your not going to hit them with the 45 long, they wouldn't let him fire the 41o at the indoor range ???

Ok I am bringing this back from the dead. But I have been gone a while. Lol. I have upped to the Glock 23. .40 is fine for me. Besides my buddies carry .40. That way the city can supply the ammo.

I will not carry anything smaller than a .38. My every day carry is a S&W .40 that holds 12 in the magazine. Hornady Critical Defense hollow points. I feel it is adequate for a self defense situation.

I cc a Ruger sr9c ss 9mm with crimsontrace laser and Tritium night sights. one clip holds 17+1 and the other holds 10+1 but i carry both clips in the holster


ut i still like the .44 mag and the .50 s&w mag

I carry everyday. When I get off work I am carrying until my pants come off at night. I have 3 guns that I carry depending on the conditions. I have a Taurus 85 ultralight in 38spl, a CZ75BD in 9mm, and a Springfield XDM in 45acp. I load the 38 and 9 with +p ammo. I have a shoulder holster that fits the CZ and XDM and also a Crossbreed supertuck for the CZ and one for the XDM. I always carry a speed loader or extra mag as well as aStreamlight ProTac 2L and a Kabar TDI LEK on my leftside.

Sledpuller,very nicely done and all accurate info. If you can't hit the barn with a cannon,there's no point in wasting the cannonball!

call me old fashioned or an idiot or whatever you think here but i carry a uberti single action .45 lc revolver, with the way i dress its easy to conceal, not super heavy, and i can get 6 shots out of it plenty fast enough to keep my ass out of a sling and do it with good accuracy. i also have a little keltec .380 that i carry in an ankle holster for a back up if i know im going into a bad area that thing is about a 9 foot gun, meaning if it aint within 9 feet good freakin luck!

Kimber BP tenII,11+1,.45 acp. Because when i have shot something I want to know for sure whatever it is STOPS right then.

sorry...that's a myth....the 45acp is not a death ray.....it's actually not much different than shooting the 9mm....:s::s::s::s:

lol, we got a good laugh at this over at glocktalk....

ar behind the seat, glock .45 by my side.

Personally, I have no interest in killing anyone. I'd rather make them suffer for forcing me to shoot them in the knee caps.

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Must admit glock talk is a joke...:jump::jump::jump::jump:

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Meh.....I've seen people shot by em all...10mm did the least amount of damage...40 guy was shot in the heart...he still lived over 45 min....have carried and used 9mm ball ammo...it's more aboout the shooter and fighting with a handgun than it is the caliber as long as you are not shooting a mouse gun/caliber...

It's a handgun, not a rifle..not a shotgun....or a 40wat plasma rifle....no handgun made is a death ray...no handgun made will kill or stop the bad guy each and every time...just not going to happen...once you learn that and that it's more about bullet placement & the shooter than the pistol caliber...

People who talk shit about how super good XX caliber is and how lame XX caliber is just don't know shit and are to stupid to know they don't know shit...:tttt::tttt::tttt:

I think proper bullit selection is also very important, no matter what calliber you carry. I dosn't matter how fast/hard it is being propelled, a fmg is not a good choice. Bottom line any of the popular calibers with good bullets should do the job just fine, when required. My choice at this point is 10mm with XTP bullets, I'm planning on adding a 38 Super when funds allow, havn't looked too much into what loadings are offered for it, but my first choice would still most likely be XTP's if available. As stated previously, you should always choose the best tool for the job.:tu:

True...I found that picture on the 'net many years ago...it was obviously drawn up tongue-in-cheek; hopefully everyone knows that.

I've shot most and owned most...currently I like 10mm and 38 Super. To each their own, as there are folks out there who are dangerous with a .32 ACP and others are more humorous with even a .50 BMG.

Another 38 super fan, nice. I also like the 9X23. Too bad it was discontinued.

yah, most of the people on glocktalk are smelly smegma cock holes especially the retard mods.

I did not say that it was a "DEATH RAY" didn't even implie that it was. Just saying that for instance.I have shot feral hogs with many different calibers(pistol and rifle). As a general rule bigger STOPS faster.:dang::argh:

Aren't hogs alot tougher then humans skin wise?

So why is it tanks shoot sub caliber sabots to kill other tanks instead of shooting a projectile the same size as the barrel...:w2::w2::w2:

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Tell ya what, the times I've a gone hogging at the bars...and have taken home snow pigs...yep, they are tough.....:s::s::s::s:

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Ok...in all fairness and no assholishness from me...you stated...

The 45ACP is a great caliber, no question...but bullet selection and placement are a major part of that...the 45ACP was designed with a 5" barrel and the 230gr bullet...if/when you shorten the barrel and change that bullet the caliber can suffer in performance...and it's still got the trajectory of a rainbow....

Even using the best bullet and superb bullet placement it's still a handgun & not going to stop a goblin right there...dead in his/her/it's tracks...and if you believe it will...then when you shoot somebody and they keep coming the shock of that could be your downfail....

:D

I just think I remember that people said wild hogs have REAL tough skin... Never seen one up close let alone hunted one.

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Agreed. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks when the IPSC lowered the limits to allow a non gun destructing 38 Super in as a Major it sort of spelled the death for the 9x23.

I do not disagree that bullet selection and placement are paramount. That is why I practice whenever and wherever I am able.Just like dad always said "practice makes perfect". :tu:

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Rampart, No offense taken here. Just having a good spirited debate.Gun guys are like diesel guys,ford vs. dodge, cummins vs. PSD,and so on. So if you have any other useful info i'm interested.:tu:

practice makes perfect is far from the truth....

If you practice shitty than all you get is shitty practice and it will never be perfect...:humm::humm::humm:

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or if you practice great you shoot great.:c:

Thank you CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!!!!!!!!:tttt:

The more I read about the Ruger LC9 the more I'm thinking about getting one to try.....:humm::humm::humm: