other gun calibers
 

I am looking for other gun calibers that can take a deer down easily. But typically run cheap. Like a 30/30. I want something to carry in on my tractor while the season is open and I am doing firewood.
I can pick up 30/30s for under $200. that is my price range.

for what you are doing and your price range 30/30 sounds like a good way to go:tu:

I am just looking for other options that I may be able to use just in case I cant find a 30/30. they go fast around here

go with a .308 a way better caliber in my opinion..and just as easy to find ammo for.

how are they as far as price wise used?

.270- easy to find bullets
25.06- not so easy
22/250- if you are a good shot

They can all be found in the $2-300 range

this has to be a brush type gun. very rarely do you have a 100 yard shot around here. hilly and wooded. I have a 30.06 for that. just want a rifle with a little more range than a 12 gauge slug

Any of the 3 I list are perfict for that, or even a .243 or a .223 (but a .223 is expensive).

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MOSSBERG 100 ATR 243 SCOPED COMBO

YOUTH ROSSI .243 COMBO

Just examples- youth guns are great brush guns and usually less expensive

the 223 is a little light for deer. as is the 22/250 and neither do well in brush. a 243 is ok but again I am looking for something with a little ass to punch through some brush.
what about 35? 45/70?

22/250 is a head shot gun. .270 would work very well, they are 100 yard guns to begin with.

There is nothing wrong with a 45/70 except the ease of finding bullets. I kind of have a theory, if you can't find the bullets at Walmart it's not a good hunting gun. I have a few guns that I have to go to a gun shop to find the bullets, those are great as novilties, but if you are hunting and regularly using the bullets, then it will suck having to go out of your way to find ammo. That's why for hunting it's good to go with the norm: 30.06, 30/30, .270, ect...

How about a 7.62 X54r Mosin Nagant? Basically the same as a .308 with not quite as much punch. Ammo is about average price and surplus guns are about $100.

this one is very nice!http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148630418 lol
that might be a winner. how is ammo to get. I know wolf makes some but it has a full metal jacket so it wont mushroom like a hunting load.

you can find hunting ammo for 7.62 X54r Mosin Nagant rifles.


Just one example:
Sellier & Bellot Bulk 7.62x54R Ammo : Cabela's

I would say .243 I got my wife A savage youth model .243 It makes a nice pack gun and is nice and short and lightweight to pack and has brought down alot of elk and deer as well, shooting through willows, brush ect think this would be a good gun for what you are wanting it for. Here is a link for an example of one a little bit more than what you were wanting but this one is scoped and has synthetic stock and sling. When I bought my wifes i think it was around the $300 range. So i think you could still find one for about that much.
Guns for Sale

I would go with a New England Arms Handie rifle good shooting little guns priced decent and alot of cal.s to chose from and you can buy driff. cal. barrels if you want for small game or coyotes,deer or elk just they are single shots but it only takes one to killem:c:

I am quite fond of my 444 marlin. I have it in the lever action, but it is chambered in the handi-rifle. Just put it on the sholder and pull the trigger, deer just drop! it's awsome

I got one years ago for $35 great gun.

How bout a sks? Very short, very tough, semi auto. Shoots 7.62x39 very short 308. Ammo is cheap and can be found in soft point. And it comes with a bayonet:knight::choochoo:

30-30, 30-06, 308, 243, 270, 35, 300win mag, 270WSM, 300WSM, 7mm mag, 44mag.... any of those should do, and and decent gun store should have all of the above in stock.

X2 on the SKS, AK variants. Ammo is cheap and so are the guns. You can find surplus ammo pretty cheap.

as far as the sks. I had one very fun gun to shoot. ammois cheap if you buy the wolf or equivelent. but those are not hunting rounds. the soft points are about the same price as other ammo of the same caliber.
I will keep it an option but I was thinking more in the lines of a bolt or lever action. the semis dont hold the patterns the bolts do.

thanks everyone. the mosin nagant looks interesting.
anyone ever buy a used gun off of a site like gunbroker.com? If I buy one off of there it says I have to ship it to a licensed FFL dealer. I am not sure the local sport shop would want to get a gun shipped to them if it wasnt purchased through them.

I've never known a dealer that wouldn't but they are gonna charge a fee for it. It's like free money for them, no work involved except gettin their mail.

yeah I got a list of the dealers in my area and some charge a fee plus tax and some just charge a fee. I found a dealer that only charges $20. I think I found a nice gun........

I bought this one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148630418

Interesting.....


Pay attention to the ammunition...most mil surp x54R is Berdan-primed and corrosive....watch the commercial closely as well.

Nice buy. He states, " I sell more of these than I can hand make." If he's selling more than he can make, I sure hope you get "yours."

I wont be shooting the military rounds as this is a hunting gun and the military rounds arent good for hunting.

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thanks everyone for helping:tu:

Uh... the 7.62x54R has a whole heck of a lot more punch than a .308... IMO its got a little more punch than a 30-06. Its not as inherently accurate as a .308, but its got serious stopping power.

GRI, IIRC your in eastern NY. Personally, I hunt out there a lot (mostly around Rome and Tug Hill). A rifled 12ga with a good sabot will easily make a 100yd shot. I took a nice size doe last year at 175yds.

You could go with 45/70, but its awful big, and definitely overkill. a 7mm-08 is a great cartridge and Dick's, Gander Mountain, and most sporting stores carry them. Its lighter than a .308 but much flatter (not that you need it).

For bigger cartridges, .356 Win, .450 Marlin, .444 Marlin, or .35 Whelen are all overkill but you can get the majority of them quite cheap.

As long as you stay away from anything with "Magnum" in the name, you should be able to find a decent gun cheap.

I do like the Mosin idea... You used to be able to buy them at gun shows for $40-50. They were hella powerful, and if you got stranded out in the cold, you could burn the darn thing for heat and not really care because its so cheap. Depending on the model, some are 2-3 MOA accurate. After all, the story of "Enemy at the Gates" is based on a sniper with a Mosin...

sorry. Didn't choose my words very carefully. I'll remember to think before I type next time. :argh:

There is a ton of soft point Russian mil surp that is excellent for hunting...it is being repackaged and sold as hunting ammunition, but is still Berdan primed and corrosive. Remember, the NATO and Geneva Convention standards for military FMJ bullets wasn't adopted by a lot of the countries running the 7.62x54R caliber, among others....

There is Nagant ammo out there from the 1930's still being sold in the spam cans........

good info I didnt know they still sold the old ammo

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I already bought the mosin. from what i read it can be a pretty accurate gun. I will find out soon enough

The Mosin Nagant is a very good gun its accurate and will kick like hell with that 24" barrel and a synthetic stock. I have a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine Tula surplus and it packs a good punch. The M 91/30 was a very long rifle not very hunter friendly, thats why people cut the barrels down. You got a good deal if the action and rifling are clean. Some come in pristine condition others are burnt out inside cause of the corrosive ammo that was used in them and not properly cleaned. Use some dawn and scrub the action and barrel out real good, then wipe it down with oil, come back the next day and repeat to make sure you get all the power out or it will eat the gun from the inside out. That only applies if you shoot the corrosive ammo tho.

I wont be shooting any corrosive ammo.:tu:

I do, there nothing wrong with it. Just requires a little more cleaning. Nothing wrong with a little extra lovin! It don't take much to clean a bolt gun anyways.

Plus the corrosive is cheap for practice shooting.

If your looking for cheap, try aimsurplus.com you'll have to find someone with a FFL to have it shiped to, but they normaly have cheap guns.

how does it got more punch than a 30.06?

30-06 is a 7.62x53 cartridge it is a .308 bullet. 7.62x54r is .311 bullet. 54R can be had in a 203gr. and heavier bullet. The 30-06 has maybe 50ft/lbs of velocity more than x54R. 30-06 wins distance, I believe x54R wins knock down with the heavier ball. If you had a full length MN91/30 you might even surpass the 30-06 velocity. The sporterized barrel is probably comparable to my MN44 carbine.

a 30.06 can be had in a 200 grain bullet as well.
and a 30.06 is 7.62x63

Sorry, I was wrong, it can be had in up to 210gr. The 7.62x54mmR is a very potent cartridge, in the same power class as the .30-06 Springfield. The spitzer bullets used in the military variants have a particularly elongated shape which results in a relatively high ballistic coefficient contributing to good long range performance and high retained energy. Data for a 12.0*g (185*gr) FMJ Match bullet boattail fired from a Dragunov sniper rifle at 823*m/s (2,700*ft/s) muzzle velocity, shows a retained energy of 1,012*J (746*ft·lbf) at 914*m (1,000*yd) with the bullet still traveling at supersonic speed under ICAO Standard Atmosphere conditions at sea level (air density ?*=*1.225*kg/m3).[5] When used with modern hunting bullets, it is capable of easily taking large game. In Russia the 7.62x54mmR is commonly used for hunting purposes mostly in sporterized Mosin-Nagant rifles and civil Dragunov variants (Tigers). Widespread use of modern magnum cartridges in Russia is not common among hunters (in contrast to North America where such chamberings are commonly used) with the 7.62x54mmR, even being considered a bit too powerful for moose. Large bears including polar bears are frequently hunted with it.

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7.62 and .30 caliber interchange.

.308 and .311, no issue...you can shoot either out of the same barrel. Ask Ruger...


You can get .30 caliber (7.62 metric nomenclature) way up beyond 200gr, or 210gr.....you can buy 30-06 in 220gr off the shelf as Remington Core-Lokt soft point (green & yellow box) for less than $20/box.

If you handload, there are many bullets to 250gr for .30 caliber.

The difference in velocities, energy, etc lies in the grain total of the powder charge, grain weight of the projectile, case capacity, primer, and the subsequent load pressures, but any .30 caliber bullet can loaded and ran in any .30 caliber/7.62xwhatever firearm case.