Lots of items in this thread are illegal......but you posted em anyway.....

Oh and since you know so much about piano wire...please elaborate on how it's used....

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Yep......or stuff I don't know much about but it looks cool.....

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What one, they are 2 different ones & they are only mildly effective at contact distance....till you have used one against a guy in a red man suit or another human in a real world situation then ya wont want one as they are not worth the time or effort unless you are a trained uniformed police/security type...

Just like how the kubaton is pain compliance instead of a fighting tool....but if you know what your doing it can be used for some strikes...

You just don't know how to shut your mouth do you?

Doesn't take a genius to know what the piano wire does and I'm sorry you cannot figure it out on your own. I did not post the piano wire.

Who are you to determine the legality of anything I have posted? Why don't you site some sources instead of trolling around and provoking conflict. Legal issues do not matter I made this thread to talk about the different self defense weapons possible. It is up to you to learn if an item is legal in your state.

Just because an item may or may not be legal doesn't mean that it cannot be conversed as a topic. Or perhaps you just don't have the mental facilities to have a genuine conversational on anything where the world doesn't revolve around your life about how you are always right and everyone else is wrong.

Also who are you to determine my knowledge of anything I post? What makes you such a genius? All you do is troll around starting crap like a 12 year old. I'm sick of your kindergarten fodder.

Hey Junior, shall I quote you where you said

" A garrotte is illegal buddy. We are talking about items you would normally carry on you from day to day for self defense. Piano wire aka garrotte is an assassination tool rather than a self defense weapon."

Thus you started the talk about what you would carry on yourself daily and what was illegal....and what qualifies you to say piano wire is illegal and a assassins weapon??

And quite a few of the things you posted are illegal....just saying......

Not to mention above in another thread you said and once again I quote " I don't quite know the use of a flat tipped blade but a clean looking knife none the less." so what does that have to do with "self defense" when you don't even know what the knife is made for....

Thus obviously you don't even know the uses of the items you post, let alone of they are legal or now...but instead go searching on the web for pictures of "cool" items....:humm: :humm: :humm:

Do you have a problem with your own insecurities so you have to pick on others to make yourself feel better???

You have serious problems.

Hey at least I am man enough to admit that I didn't know what a blade with no tip was used for. It could have been for a specific defense style or as a tool other than defensive tactics. Perhaps you should learn from me and learn how to ask questions when you don't know what you are talking about.

Oh wait you have 20 years military service where you became disabled. Yeah you know it all. You also have 10 years of firefighting under your belt but you will not answer to me how you are disabled and able to be a firefighter. You are just some kid who lives in a fantasy world and troll because you have nothing better to do.

All of the things I posted are not illegal in all states. As I said before it depends on state to state if you managed to read my posts.

Also it's "Legal or NOT" not Legal or now.... Learn to proof read. Didn't you learn that in the military?

I love it when you can't do anything other than to personally attack me....you can't argue the facts or defend what you said, but instead you always end up attacking me....while crying about how poor little you has been attacked....got to love your double standards...but hey, like I said, it shows quite a bit about the kind of person you really are....

You yourself have bumped pictures of me....and you know I'm not a "kid" but hey, thanks for the complement!!!!!

Keep up the great work!!!!!:lol88::lol88::lol88::lol88::lol88::lol88 ::lol88:

You are provoking an argument just for the sake of trying to get me to snap. Even though its against the rules you still do it anyways. Did I ask you to come into my thread and start crap? No I did not now why don't you just crawl into your hole and back off?

Me attacking you? You follow me provoking arguments left and right. What do you expect? Hunh?

You will not answer the question about the military and the fire department because you are a liar and a troll. You have not served this country because men who have served this country in either aspect learn respect for others. If you have it's a failure at that and you apparently would have serious issues with following orders or any chain of command.

You just don't give up on fighting do you? I didn't start any of this, you keep coming to me.

Sweet, even more personal attacks & calling me a liar....love it...not to mention how you said "learn respect for others" that's a great one....you need to earn respect buddy, it's not something given...but earned...and you have not earned anything....

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You just can't answer a simple question. You have yet to show any proof of your military or FD service and you Just go defensive when I call you out after you have attacked me many times... sorry to break your tender heart but I am sick of your crap. Why don't you back off. Is it that hard just to leave me the heck alone?

If you have ever been in the military or fire department you would know respect is something that you give from the start. When you have done something to lose that respect is the only time it is earned.

This is once again another thread You have ruined. As my request I have asked a moderator to lock down this thread because it has became an argument because of you. This is in no way good for diesel bombers and if you manage to stay away from me then others would have a place to have fun and talking about new or intriguing items.

Thanks again for ruining it for everyone ramprat.

That's it, run to mommy moderator and have the thread locked.....while blaming it on somebody else....:c: :c: :c:

You have to earn respect, it is not given from the start either in the military or fire world....only those with frail egos who are in it to feel important think that respect is given cuz of a uniform or job, but no, it's the person wearing that uniform that earns respect...it is never given just cuz you can wear a uniform...but earned....

You just can't prove to anyone that you have been in either military or FD. Yeah I'm telling the mods to lock down this thread. Perhaps if you would learn to leave me alone then others would have a chance to have a good time. The only one to blame here is you. I did not come find your thread and start crap.

You need to learn to leave me alone. I am not the only one that is real tired of your crap. Perhaps you should read the rules on provocation which is clearly a problem with you. Harassment and bullying me around is not called for and you should just stay away from me.