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1999stroker 08-24-2012 12:40 AM

Since we're on the topic any advice for me a 21 yr old looking to carry a ccw? I have a tiger sr9c which I love with an in the hip holster. Haven't got to shoot it much but I am pretty decent on groupings

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Bigg Redd 08-24-2012 09:18 AM

Yeah, put it away before you shoot your eye out kid. Just kidding! You should probably take a Gun Safety Course and see whats needed to qualify for a CCW permit. But, first and foremost, are you allowed to carry concealed in your state? Some states dont.

Benjamin 08-24-2012 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by torqctd (Post 929282)
Have seen a victim killed by a pellet gun to the head and a man survive 10 rounds of 9mm and another from 6 point blank shots from a .357 mag. ,with every thing else thrown in you can imagine........I hope the 9mm will do the job......my wife carries one........I'll stick with my .40 and my .45. Take care.....we will have to agree to disagree. I do agree with you on the mouse guns. I'm am looking into the raven holsters. Thanks

If I am reading right, you concluded that a pellet, assuming it is a .177 cal since they are more common than the .22 cal, is more effective at stopping a human than a 9mm?

this goes back to shot placement is everything....

torqctd 08-24-2012 09:20 PM

Pellet was 5mm and the victim was a 5 year old child. Shot placement is critical but not "everything" penetration and expansion are also critical. Always have your anomalies. Saw a cop shot right between the eyes with his own service weapon in .38 spl.loaded with +p loads. Shot by his own disgruntled daughter. Round did not penetrate the skull......it traveled around the exterior of the skull and lodged in the back of the head between the skull and the skin. He did not die of tissue destruction but three days later of brain swelling. Same basic shot location......one through and through with a pellet and one with a .38 spl. and no penetration.

1999stroker 08-24-2012 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bigg Redd (Post 929382)
Yeah, put it away before you shoot your eye out kid. Just kidding! You should probably take a Gun Safety Course and see whats needed to qualify for a CCW permit. But, first and foremost, are you allowed to carry concealed in your state? Some states dont.

Yes ccw are allowed. Second I've been around guns all mu life and shot rifles, shotguns, pistols, bows just never carried on me. I use to be dang good but I ain't shot in a whiles

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Ramprat 08-25-2012 01:32 AM


Originally Posted by torqctd (Post 929573)
Pellet was 5mm and the victim was a 5 year old child. Shot placement is critical but not "everything" penetration and expansion are also critical. Always have your anomalies. Saw a cop shot right between the eyes with his own service weapon in .38 spl.loaded with +p loads. Shot by his own disgruntled daughter. Round did not penetrate the skull......it traveled around the exterior of the skull and lodged in the back of the head between the skull and the skin. He did not die of tissue destruction but three days later of brain swelling. Same basic shot location......one through and through with a pellet and one with a .38 spl. and no penetration.

I've known that head shot thing to happen with the 38spl and it was all but a common thing back when LEO's carried 38's, it had more to do with the velocity of the 38 and the bullet design if I remember right. Attended a Street Survival seminar once in a prior life (LEO's only) and one speaker was NYPD who had been shot in the head with the 38spl and a round nose ball round...he lived to tell of it and was one heck of a speaker...

Shot placement is critical while it's not "everything' it's as close to "everything" as one can get...and yes, you can kill with a pellet gun if the conditions are perfect..

Had a guy die on me...with his wife right next to him in a car crash...neither of them had any outward signs of injuries....seatbelts and air bags worked as they were designed...she walked away with a few bruises...he died... they were in my ambulance holding hands...one on the cot the other on the bench...as we did everything humanly possible to save him....I told her he would make it...and he died as we pulled into the emergency room....

I've seen people live that should have never lived to make it to the hospital....100 units of blood, plasma, blood expanders NS and ringers....no way in hell should this person have lived...when we put him on the OR table our backboard was completely under blood...could not even see it...yet he is alive and walking...

One guy lived after drinking a large bottle of morphine he was dead....no question about it he was dead...but we saved his ass ...another guy had his leg ripped off in a car crash...took a hour to cut the car from around him...his leg was held on by a hunk of skin/muscle the size of your thumb....femur sticking up into the air about 8 inches....thigh flopping over...did not look like it was attached at all...and yet a year later he walked into the station thanking us for saving his life and his leg....

Have seen people die from the smallest things...injuries that just leave you scratching you head asking how....what could I have done differently to save this person....that they should not have died from....how after talking to the ME you chalked it up as "it was his time to die"

Ever hear of the "golden BB" or "golden bullet" when it's your time to die you will die...nothing/nobody can save you from death...we all die...nobody get's out of life alive....it's a terminal condition....and only God knows how and when he will call us home...

Bigg Redd 08-25-2012 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by 1999stroker (Post 929576)
Yes ccw are allowed. Second I've been around guns all mu life and shot rifles, shotguns, pistols, bows just never carried on me. I use to be dang good but I ain't shot in a whiles

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I hear ya there bro! I used to shoot thousands of rounds as PD RangeMaster and Firearms Instructor. Now that Im retired, Im lucky if I shoot 100 rounds every couple or three months. No excuse. Its disgustipating!!!:nope:

gunman41mag 08-25-2012 11:22 AM

I haven't gone shooting in months:nope: & I can't remember the last time I shot a glock:humm:

Bigg Redd 08-25-2012 08:58 PM

I went to an indoor range today not long after posting my comment this morning. Got to thinking " Theres no excuse not to go." Boy it felt nice to shoot again. This ol' buzzard still has his touch. 300 rounds of .45, 100 rounds of .38, 200 rounds of 9mm.
Weapons used: Smith & Wesson 1911, Kimber Elite 1911, Smith & Wesson 9mm, Browning Hi-Power 9mm, Taurus ultralite .38 snubby.
Next is the rifle range for some real fun......long distance fun. Maybe tomorrow. "I love the smell of gun powder in the morning!":tu:

gunman41mag 09-07-2012 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by Bigg Redd (Post 929830)
I went to an indoor range today not long after posting my comment this morning. Got to thinking " Theres no excuse not to go." Boy it felt nice to shoot again. This ol' buzzard still has his touch. 300 rounds of .45, 100 rounds of .38, 200 rounds of 9mm.
Weapons used: Smith & Wesson 1911, Kimber Elite 1911, Smith & Wesson 9mm, Browning Hi-Power 9mm, Taurus ultralite .38 snubby.
Next is the rifle range for some real fun......long distance fun. Maybe tomorrow. "I love the smell of gun powder in the morning!":tu:

did you shoot your rifles:humm:


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