transgo tfod shift kit
 

need one for my 94 auto cummins 4x4

Save your $$ and Time and just get a high performance VB

I disagree , 99% of "high Performance VB's" are stock dodge VB's with a TFOD installed

Alot more goes into building a High Performance VB than just dropping in a Shift Kit. Sure you can install a shift kit but how do you know all the pressures are correct and going to the correct places? Suncoast also builds there own custom Seperator Plates. If you install a shift kit and something is not 100% correct your going to do your transmission more harm than good.

Some of the biggest names in Transmissions use the Transgo Shift Kit , they get your core back put $150 into it and sell it to the next guy for a crap ton of money its a vicious cycle and we lose.

I have the Sun Coast Pro Loc Valve body , Paid out the ass for it , my tranny shifted so hard the glove box would nearly come open when going into lock up , i took it to a fiends tranny shop to have the valbe body turned down , he called me back and said HOLY COW this thing is all bored out there isnt much i can do with it , but if it just had the tfod i could adjust it to yaour likeing , this vb is extreme ill turn down what i can but your stuck with it .

knowing this i suggested just the tfod to 3 of my friends with ion the next 6 mths , thay all took my advice , i drive all there trucks and it was way way better than my over priced over hyped big name big $$ valve body .

When in indy i drove another truck with a gorend TC , it was awesome i asked him what vb gorend put in and he said its my stocker with a tfod

me = :argh:

Trying to sell stock Valve bodies with no more than a TFOD installed then requesting a core is currupt and nearly all tranny shops try to pull this fast one on us.

there is no need to buy the after market valve body if its anything more than a TFOD your probably not going to like how it shifts and your stuck with it.

This has been my experience im not a tranny guru and in extreme performance things are different , but for a daily driver / toy the TFOD will be more than you need and will allow adjustments to make it just how you want

I'm not going to fued over this, but i am going to say after talking to ton's of trans builders including Ernie at suncoast. This isnt the case. When a customer purchases a valvebody from suncoast, they have a custom cut divider plate, the VB has been on a pressure bench, each spring and ball is adjusted and tested out of the truck. Most companys revamp the valvebodys , some use new electronics and so on some do not.
I assure you THERE is a HUGE diffrence in the line pressure and holding abilitys, Throttle valve adjustments and so on. For instance, One company installs the VB in a transmission and loads the tranny on a dyno, At that point it's ran through the bases and tuned according to how the CUSTOMER requested the truck to shift.

I'm not here trying to sell anything....If anything there's more profit in the transgo kits.

There's alot more to Suncoast, ATS and DTT valvebodys than a simple shift kit install.

Heck, Even Olee Poole will tell ya that! The ProLoc is designed according to all of our information for race applications. When ordering a valve body, we go through about a 20 min convo with the customer, then the same convo with suncoast. The valvebody is tuned according to the customers request plain and simple. I've never had a problem with one shifting to hard, or not shifting hard enough. We explain exactly what the customer wants and I've yet to have any complaints!

Good Debate for sure.

I would trade my Pro Loc for a stocker with a TFOD if they were side by side and ready to install.

Ive driven 4 trucks 3 with the exact same torque converter , same stall and everything and all 4 of the trucks shifted less violent than mine. there is a big difference between Firm and Violent .

out of all these trucks , i drove a 6.0L Ford with a stock transmission and the stock tranny shifted firmer and smoother and put all the dodges ive driven with stock or built transmission to shame WAY BAD ! the Ford was damn near like a hydrostatic pure kick ass.

I have had my Valve body adjusted 3 times before i gave up on it , the only way i could get my tranny to work right was to go with syntetic tranny fluid and run the hell out of the truck till it lossened up.

If im not being clear on my Suncoast TC and VB , i couldnt even put my truck in Drive when below operating temp w/o killing the engine , it was that bad ... on a call to suncoast they said they would swap me but i had to send mine back and buy the new one ......:humm: uhhhh , no thanks

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Sounds like you got one that wasent set up for your likings, the trans shops do use some aftermarket parts like what come in shift kits. But they do some things a lil different and your paying for the labor of going through and rebuilding the valvebody as it is fairly time consuming. And also some times they get cores back that are worn out of spec and they have to either replace or repair certain bores. Shift firmness can be changed very easily but once you open it up so much you can go back smaller without a new seperator plate, or changing some springs. The Transgos are good kits for guys with moderate power.

DZLfarmboy's right on!

Chad, I'll call suncoast and see if we can get you somthing worked out!

Thanks for the offer Lucas but the time has past i already made other changes to compensate for it, after 5 sets of injectors i found a set larger than stock that didnt kill the engine when you put it in Drive

FWIW the truck had 15,000 miles on it when i build the tranny , it was like new still

our shop uses the transgo shift kit in all our transmissions i cant complain they work xtremely well hope yall get this figured out chad certainly does:U:

You may use Transgo kits, but there's alot more to an aftermarket valvebody than a shiftkit friend. Not to mention, your purchasing somthing with a warranty, your also purchasing a tested product. Most of the DIY customers we have wouldnt be interested in installing their own shift kit. For Instance, Suncoast is a Transgo Dealer. They install transgo shift kits and valves in most of their valvebodys BUT after pressure checks, shift point checks and so on there's alot more involved than putting a shift kit in. Do you know how many times the average person will remove and install a the pan to acheive the same shifts that the aftermarket valvebodys offer? I'd say atleast 4.

oh believe me i know i have seen it all at my shop i have an ats trans and tc i love it im am just saying that thier is more bang for your buck with that shift kit

You do need to add the cost of a tranny guy installing and adjusting the tfod , brain did all the ones im talking about. if your doing it your self it would be easier to buy one already done , it depends on the cost

Most good valvebodys (for discussion sake) are say $400-$500. Some are less. But You figure the $150.00 shift kit, Having it properly installed, the cost of them changing the fluid, and possibly needing adjustment again. This is a project any DIY guy could do in an afternoon.

I agree that for alot of people the shift kit would work great, but the would atleast need a good report on the installers previous customers .

Most of the people are going to have there bands tightened and ect when the shop installs the TFOD its good practice :D

You wouldnt belive what some shops really do lol .

I will agree with ya Chad on the Torque Shift Trans. My 04 6.0 with the SCT shifted like a built dodge trans with nothing more than a SCT.

The ProLoc setup is designed for racing applications. So I could see where the shifting would be to radical for ya.

well i guess my opinon didnt me anything i just use transgo products and was hoping that the next user that read this would have a deterining factor on what kind of shift kit they were going to buy :argh:

There is nothing wrong with a Transgo Shift Kit. We were just saying there is a big difference between putting a Transgo kit in a stock VB than buying an aftermarket high performance VB.


Luke

For instance, I emailed Olee and asked him what he used in his VB's and this is the reply I got:

"I don't use any kits like trans-go.. I have all parts and springs made for me.

Olee"

that cool i mean i have an ats trans so the valve body is from them but for people that buy it or thinking about it they will have an opinion on the product

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this has been a very insightful thread

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so if your going to have someone install it that knows what they are doing than the TFOD is the way to go but if your looking for an out of the box throw it in and go VB then get as built one?

Exactly...Just ask Luke. We just had a conversation about people calling at 1am wanting tech instructions lol

I saw a local transmission builder that has been building transmissions for 27 yrs install a shift kit. He had to drop the pan and pull the VB out 4 times until it shifted correctly.

Thats because the Torque shift transmission's valve bodys are nothing but a bunch of solenoids and can be changed in the tuning with an SCT. But I will agree they are a nice trans with aftermarket tuning and seem to hold up fairly well and bump gears nice, their stock torque converters have much better fluid coupling than our dodges.

Brett

:5: thanks guys well i am going to see what the next post brings