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what kind of winches do yall have on ur trucks?? im buyin a 1995 dodge 2500 cummings and i want to get it a winch cause im goin to do alot of mudding and offroading... i was thinking either a 8000 lb mile marker or smity buildt winch... warn's REALLY expensinve :argh:... ny recomendations??

An 8000 lb winch would barely have enough pulling power for your Dodge. Buy a winch that is rated for 1.5 to 2 times your trucks weight, mud can be very unforgiving when buried to your axles or worse. I have a Warn 16.5 ti on the front of my Jeep, it is heavy with a BBC 2.5 ton Rockwells and 49 inch Irocs. Warn might seem expensive but you get what you pay for.:U:

fixed it for ya......

i bought a 10K from Sam's Club for my trailer for 400 bucks but for you i would recommend a 15K-18.5K winch.....

go big and buy a good quality winch ,not a cheapo brand,you willthank yourself when you get out of the hole instead of staying in it with a fubared winch:c:I run a 9000 si warn on my jeep yj and sometimmes it isn't enoughwhen I get the 38.5"boggers stuck:w2:

make sure you have a good set of straps and a good block so you can double your line but dont overload it can snap and be dangerous. I have really liked all ive seen with the new synethic rope

Yeah the new synthetic rope is awesome. I wish we would get it at the fire house... hint hint... :D

Get at least a 15k winch. End of story.

Here is a VERY good read that I think everyone with a winch needs to read. This article and information has help me MANY times with extractin different stuck vehicles.

Pirate4x4.Com - Extreme Four Wheel Drive

And here is teh part that is important to the topic at hand:

Calculating the force of a recovery operation:

This is a critical step in both the conduct of a winch recovery (because you need to be absolutely sure that EVERY single piece of equipment used in the task is strong enough and will not fail and thereby endanger life and limb), and in the selection/purchase and decision to use a piece of recovery equipment. It is a calculation where, quite frankly, the manufacturer's recommendations are woefully inadequate. Why? Simply because if they let you in on how large the forces really are, it would leave you realizing that they are unable to economically produce a winch of sufficient capacity in anything resembling a small, light, or economical enough package. They get away with it, because, as I said, there are virtually no regulations or standards governing the industry. I'm not saying all 4x4 winches are inadequate, dangerous, or useless. But I am saying that the forces involved are often much greater than the manufacturer's would have you believe, and you will be far more capable and SAFER if you approach your 4x4 recovery KNOWING THIS, and knowing the real numbers. Realize, that for reasons of practicality and economics, your 4x4 recovery equipment is almost certainly undersized.....you can still do the job, using the correct techniques, but you will be much SAFER if you keep this in mind. Enough of the pre-amble.

Most, if not all, winch manufacturers will tell you to select a winch based on 1.5 times the gross vehicle weight. This often leads to less than satisfactory results for 2 reasons:

1) Most people are terrible at actually estimating the gross weight of their rig as it sits on the trail, full of gas, tools, equipment, food, camping gear, people, the dog...everything. Heck, in some cases the real figure can actually exceed the GVWR of the vehicle. Simple advice here - either err WAY on the heavy side, or get your rig weighed in trail trim.

2) More importantly, the "effective weight" of a "stuck" 4x4 is very often FAR more than 1.5 times the GVW. The following data on how to more accurately estimate the "effective weight", is taken from the world of professional heavy recovery - the guys that recover Tractor-trailers that have flipped on their side for instance, as well as U.S., Canadian, and UK Military recovery manuals.

Once you have accurately estimated or measured the trucks loaded weight (LW) you can calculate the resistance to be overcome in any recovery situation (this is commonly known as the ROLLING resistance). There are 4 types of resistance that must be accounted for to accurately assess the resistance that must be overcome. These are surface resistance, damage resistance, mire (stuck) resistance and grade (slope) resistance. Calculate them all as follows:

Surface resistance
A pull of 1/10 LW will cause a free wheeling truck to move on a hard, level surface.

A pull of 1/3 LW will cause a free wheeling truck to move on a softer surface, such as grass or gravel,

Damage resistance:
A pull of 2/3 LW will be required to move if the wheels cannot rotate (as if the brakes were fully applied), the pull required to overcome the resistance (drag) the truck id 2/3 or 67% of the LW. Damage resistance includes surface resistance (i.e. you only use one or the other)

Stuck (mire) resistance:A pull of 100% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to a depth of the sidewall on the tires.

A pull of 200% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to the hubs.

A pull of 300% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to the frame..

Mire resistance includes damage resistance (i.e. you only use one or the other)

Grade (slope) resistance:Upgrade (vehicle has to be recovered up a slope or grade)

15 degrees - add 25% of LW

30 degrees - add 50% of LW

45 degrees - add 75% of LW

Vehicle recovery on level ground - no correction

Downgrade (vehicle has to be recovered down a slope or grade)

15 degrees - subtract 25% of LW

30 degrees - subtract 50% of LW

45 degrees - subtract 75% of LW

Final figure:Add surface or damage or mire resistance and grade resistance, and this is your final figure or rolling resistance. This is the amount of pull the winch must apply in order to recover the stuck vehicle.

Example:My trail rig fully kitted out weighs in at 5000 lbs. I get stuck down a rock ravine that's about 45 degrees steep, and there are big rocks up to the frame hanging it up. Rolling resistance is 5000lbs x 3 + (5000 x 0.75) = 18,750 lbs. As you can see, this is significantly more than the 5000lbs x 1.5 - 7500lbs the manufacturers would have you believe. You may be wondering how one could ever possibly recover the vehicle in this example, given that the largest commercially available 4x4 recovery winch is 15000 lbs and that most are in the 8-9000lb range. The answer is by using multi-line rigging, which we shall explore in a moment.

Here's a simple flowchart that provides the same info:
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I have a 12K MileMarker Hydraulic winch. I like it.

how much did u get if for?? do u have ny problems with power steering??

have a 9k warn on my old f150. actually just got the thing mounted and wired yesterday (had the winch for over a year!). havent tried it out yet, but should be enough to do the trick, especially if i use a block.

Now, my dodge on the other hand.... I have a line on getting a 30t mechanical winch, i think thats about the only thing that will drag its heavy azz out of a mud hole!

The thing you have to watch out for with teh blocks is that it becomes very easy to go over teh rating of the cable and other parts of teh system. Such as any clevis, strap, mount, ect in the system. Just think it through before doing it.

yes, you really have to use your brain when winching!

Make sure everything is going to hold the load, and then some. The last thing you want to do is get a medivac ride out of the bush with a hook and piece of cable hanging out of your head....

Actually did something kind of similar last fall, bunch of us were out getting the trucks stuck. One of the guys was winching me out, but had a strap hooked to my truck, which he winched off of. Long story short, strap broke, hook tried to go through his windshied and smack him in the face...

The outcome.... Note the cable wrapped all around the truck and the hook neatly planted into the windshield just to the passenger side of the cowl!

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Warn 8274's on the Jeep and on the old F250.

Warn 16.5ti on the shop truck.

Warn XT30 on the quad.


I use MasterPull synthetic line....no complaints.


I've grown up with Warn winches, being as they're local to us in the PacNW most people up here run them, but there are other great brands, too.

I believe you will find Mile marker winch's are good Warn winch's are good and there is this Discount house that sells UBER Generic winches..HS or something I don't know why I can't think of it off hand.

Those are the exact same parts from the exact same factory as mile marker as I have been told. Except the switch..I have heard the fuses blow..

My only real experience with winching is a 12k warn pulled my old short bed half ton chev with a 350 and 1 ton axles np (gm 14 in the rear dana 60 in the front) BUT My opinion (which are like @$$holes just less usefull sometimes) if given the choice would you rather think..I think I have enough or ...Watch out I have this handled..

alright i might go with a mile marker... prob like a 12k?? it says on there website that they make winches for the humvee... so if its good enough for the army... its prob good enough for me:U: haha... oh should i get a electric or Hydraulic?? im kinda leaning toward hydraulic.... ny thoughts???

Mile Marker makes nice winchs. Not teh fastest out there but a VERY good value! I kinda like the hydraulic ones. We had soem on our old Fire truck and they were kick ass. They ran off a PTO though and not the power steering pump.

the only thing with a pto winch is if you loose a clutch than ur screwed

yeah, those mile markers run off the Power Steering Pump though. The only argument people through up about the hydrolic winchs is that if the truck is not running you cant winch. But my answer is if the truck is not running a electric winch wont get you to far either w/o charging.

I guess the same thing can be said about the PTO driven/clutch issue. If your clutch is that F'd, your not going anywhere anyways!


Personally, i would rather have a PTO driven pump rather than using the PS pump.

Either way there's plenty of upgrades for the pump.. I used a warn 12k electic expensive but it sure was nice to have (mostly just for peace of mind) Best winch controller is the skinny pedal!