yeah i forgot to add, good sized tires with good tread will make a huge idfference for sure. without traction, nothing matters!

I think a purpose built Cummins would scare some folks. FAT Foot print Gear reduction under armor and weight up the bed with silly stuff like Spare Tire's Gear and tools and spare parts lock up the front and rear (which any real trail rig has anyways)

I know alot of people think big trucks have no place on a mountain but I'll argue that point with a good driver and proper built rig

I've gone on some pretty nasty stuff in the high country here and the best traction I get is when I have a ton of weight in the bed or the horse trailer on......I've been places people didn't think I'd get to. All I have is a little bigger tires. It's not like my single cab gasser or the jeep but it holds it's own, except in the deep snow. I use the other trucks with tall skinny agressive tires for that stuff.

imho if your looking at Rock Crawling etc then good luck but is there anyone that has one of these actually set up fairly capable? at least set up comparable to the Jeeps and Landcruisers they are being compared too?

I understand they will need more lift instead of 4 go 6 isntead of 6 go 8 (not much over 8) but is the motor that big of a disadvantage? I've trailed short bed trucks and other than pin striping I have gone trompin right past stuck jeeps and the short wheel base likes with a locker in the rear.

gotta go man, me and my buddies are goin the first weekend in june. i dont wheel my truck but i tow my buddys jeeps out there. then ride with them. i guarantee youll be hooked the first time you go man. campins free and its $35 for the owner of the truck and 5 for passengers. :U:

Biggest problem with these trucks is their massive size. I know when I was wheeling around Ouray there were several times I had to unlock the transfer case and make a 3 (or 10) point turn. But I made it to the top of Yankee Boy :ok1: There is something to be said for low gears and massive torque.


With a proper locker ( I would do both axles) and some good tires you can go a lot of places.

I like Kaz's attitude!! It's all about modifying your driving style!

actually I got to thinking about it and it wasn't yankee boy it was blue lake in Ouray CO

Trails need a diamond ranking... Blue diamond is good for fords and 2wd cars Red for open axle jeeps and other 4x4's blazers ramchargers Black is for Locked up double black is for Oh shit did he really stuff those tires on that kind of rigs etc...

Just like Skiing but more fun....switch it up to maybe Nuts? or instead of diamonds make it the pucker factor.

Getting stuck is pretty high on the list if you have stock tires with the weight of the cummins in the nose:c: