New Track T-800CDI Diesel Motorcycles
 

Welcome to Diesel Bombers

Erik Vegt ceo
E.V.A. Products BV Holland
Bloemenlaan nr 11
2235EM Valkenburg zh
Nederland

Diesel Motor Cycles are Huge In His Country I have brought him in to shine some daylight on Diesel Bikes

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sweet!!!:U:

Thats awesome.. Welcome To DieselBombers!

:humm: I-3 Diesel with an MPI Twin Setup.. and a 7" tail pipe belching some smoke..

Hallo Dieselbombers,

My company EVA Products Holland is the producer of the Track T-800CDi dieselmotorcycles. You might be intersted with the smell of diesel.

We designed and are now producing a brand new product on the EU market .
Brandname "TRACK" .

The Track T-800CDI is a brand new 800cc CDI (Daimler/Mercedes, a "sister" of the smart cdi engine system) Turbo intercooled dieselpowered motorcycle with 45HP and 140Nm max of torque. (engine weight: 45kg. ful aluminium!) Through CVT (Continious Variable Transmission) and a shaftdrive we bring this power to the rearwheel. With a weight of 220KG this give a great drive with topspeed possiblities exeeding 180KM/H.

the exhaust picture in this message shows black smoke. we do not have any black smoke. black smoke is onburned fuel. With a good configuration no smoke is possible !!!

You can visit our website for more info.

I was wondering if there would be interest in the USA for bringing this Track T-800DI to the US. You now use a lot of fuel on transportation in US and your cars are so large.
We overhere in europe have allready for a longer periode been searching for smaller en more fuel efficient transportation.
With our Track T-800CDI dieselmotorcycles we tackle trafic jam and fuelconsumption.
T-800CDI consumption: 1 Liter on 45 KM..................)

With best regards from The Netherlands
Erik Vegt
CEO of EVA Products bV Holland

Daimler/Mercedes , Turbo intercooled dieselpowered motorcycle with 45HP and 140Nm max of torque.

DROOL !!! this is AWESOME !!!! Do you have any photos?

http://www.dieselmotorcycles.eu/Imag...i-Silver_1.jpg
This picture shows you a preview on our productionmodel which will be unveiled in The Netherlands at the great motorcycle show in Utrecht at the end of Februari.

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http://www.dieselmotorfiets.nl/Image...T-800CDI_3.jpg
This picture show you the last of the 13 prototypes that were build before we went into production.

That is AWESOME!! I want!!! :upup: :upup: :upup:

Welcome to Diesel Bombers. With so many people buying motorcycles to help save on fuel costs, I think there would be a very good market for you here. I'm interested in hearing more about them. :U:
JB
p.s. I also sent you a private message.

We will be Willing to Test and Tune For you here in the USA , Need Beta Testers ? :D

That bike is Awesome and i can see this Being HUGE in the USA !!!!!!

Does it have an electronic Fuel Pump ? What Sort of Injection is this?

Welcome to DieselBombers. That is way to sweet:U: Great to have ya here:c: Looking forward to this

they make a hydraulic 2wd Motorcycle as well.. AWD Diesel Motorcycle.. :humm:


Want me to do some testing in the mountians with this? lol I can PM you my shipping address..:tttt:

Welcome Erik - interesting bike....

Whats CDI , Central Direct Injection ? Whats the USA Price of these ?

oh Dang.. imagine this with a straight pipe.. it would sound sooo awesome..

YouTube - Dieselmotorcycle / dieselmotorfiets

I'm curious if you have any other models planned? Such as a street cruiser or maybe even something along the styiling lines of a V-Rod? I think a V-Rod/Pro street style frame with twins, some tuning and maybe a nitrous bottle or two hanging off the back would be a nasty barhopper/street racer.

Question number 2: Being a shaft drive, how is it for torque jacking? In other words is there a noticeable rise/drop when getting on or off the throttle quickly? I know in some applications, the suspension compression encountered when getting off the throttle going into a corner can be tricky to deal with for less experienced riders.
Question number 3: Is fuel management electronic? If so, how easy will it be to modify them for more power? :choochoo:
I'll have lots more questions to post as I think of them.
Jim

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I see more wheelie citations in my future if I get my hands on one of these. :w2:

Awesome looking bike!! :U:

:howdy:

that is a SWEEEEEEET bike dude :U:

what does it cost?

how many RPM's does it turn?

what boost pressure does it make?

welcome to DB, that thing is sweet:choochoo:

Welcome aboard.

Welcome to DB :hi:

would like to hear more about the bike

Track T-800CDI additional information
 

Here is some small additional information on your questions for you dieselinterested on the other side of the big water. (also nice for testing my english writing skills :ok1:)

* CDI stands for Common Rail Injection. So it's a closed railsystem with electronic injectors
that work with a max of 2000bar pressure.

* Injectors from Robert Bosch with pre , main and post injection with different quantities directed by the ECU

* A straight pipe as suggested would do you no good on noise pollution due to the turbo working on 2.5bar pressure and cutting the noise level to 78 dB.

* Engine rpm between 850 and 4250 rpm. Max torque at 1800 rpm and than a straight curve.

* ECU stand for Electronic Control Unit which is ,for us as a manufacturer only, fully adjustable to suit any demand we require.

* Shaftdrive in combination gives of no torque jacking at all. smooth strong solid power at any speed.

* Testing the bikes is being done by our testteam doing 400K km to complete.

* US market.......... due to market policy and US protectionisme it won't be easy to come over... due to this protectionisme nice things stay in europe longer than planned.:ouch:

* On different models, we are planning on a full fairing Track S-Track T800CDI.
We build the T-800CDI bike to be an All Road motorcycle with multipurpose use.
No Harley like shapes have our interest.
If you like that more visit : Neander - Motors - Dieselmotor however a very expensive bike.

* Pricing for 2009 ; 17500 euro . no dollar conversion possible due to no delivery to the US at this point in time. sorry.

* Tuning. ...... at this moment we have the best configuration on weight and power combined. tuning it more would result in a shorter lifespan and higher fuelcost. So tuning would bring nothing more than now available.

* Fuelpump 1 and 2. 1 is the electronic low pressure pomp in the fueltank. 2 is the high pressure 3 cylinder fuelpump that brings the fuel up to a max of 2000bar for use in the common rail system.

* When you guys overcome the financial crisis in the US and visit Europe again you are invited to come over to The Netherlands and have a trialride along the coast.

some questions for you:

- What does "dude" mean ?
- How do you see diesel on fuelefficiency ?
- Are you aware of GTL (gas to liquid) fuels being available for dieselengines only ?
- if yes on GTL, are you using it and what is the outcome ?
- why does the forum exhaust picture shows smoke. whoes car is that being out of tune?



with best regards

Erik Vegt ceo
EVA Products BV Holland

Edge or TS will have something before too long if it ever hits the US market......

Here is some small additional information on your questions for you dieselinterested on the other side of the big water. (also nice for testing my english writing skills :ok1:)

* CDI stands for Common Rail Injection. So it's a closed railsystem with electronic injectors
that work with a max of 2000bar pressure.

COMMON RAIL SWEET !!!!! Thats what some of our trucks are

* Injectors from Robert Bosch with pre , main and post injection with different quantities directed by the ECU

Robert Bosch Designed a lot of our Injection Pumps and Injectors !!! This is AWESOME

* A straight pipe as suggested would do you no good on noise pollution due to the turbo working on 2.5bar pressure and cutting the noise level to 78 dB.

2.5 Bar is Just over 36PSI !!!! (We Mostly use PSI and not Bar) Thats Alot !!!

* Engine rpm between 850 and 4250 rpm. Max torque at 1800 rpm and than a straight curve.

Over 4,000 RPM on a Diesel That pushes the limits of Us Cummins Guys !

* ECU stand for Electronic Control Unit which is ,for us as a manufacturer only, fully adjustable to suit any demand we require.

No , Not For You Manufactures We want a Performance ECU Option !!! We Will Find a way, May as well make it easy on us , Were Americans..... MORE MORE MORE :D

* Shaftdrive in combination gives of no torque jacking at all. smooth strong solid power at any speed.

No Chains or belts ? Is this All Wheel Drive?

* Testing the bikes is being done by our testteam doing 400K km to complete.

The US Air and elevation is different You should give one away on Diesel Bombers ;)

* US market.......... due to market policy and US protectionisme it won't be easy to come over... due to this protectionisme nice things stay in europe longer than planned.:ouch:

The Market is Here , Past emissions and Your Good !

* On different models, we are planning on a full fairing Track S-Track T800CDI.
We build the T-800CDI bike to be an All Road motorcycle with multipurpose use.
No Harley like shapes have our interest.
If you like that more visit : Neander - Motors - Dieselmotor however a very expensive bike.

The Lower the Cost the Better ! Offer us a Striped down version

* Pricing for 2009 ; 17500 euro . no dollar conversion possible due to no delivery to the US at this point in time. sorry.

$23,368.60 ... EEK ... A Really Striped Down Version :D

* Tuning. ...... at this moment we have the best configuration on weight and power combined. tuning it more would result in a shorter lifespan and higher fuelcost. So tuning would bring nothing more than now available.

The Engines going to produce so many HP in its life , we can either use them up over time or tap into them and use them up Faster and have more Fun ! Its understood that at stock its in its best form for fuel and reliability , But in the USA most they will be Modified to deliver more in the areas the owner desires

* Fuelpump 1 and 2. 1 is the electronic low pressure pomp in the fueltank. 2 is the high pressure 3 cylinder fuelpump that brings the fuel up to a max of 2000bar for use in the common rail system.

:booo: No Way , This will be an issue , We want A Mechanical Fuel Pump Crank Driven Delivering More fuel than needed , the excess is returned back to the tank

* When you guys overcome the financial crisis in the US and visit Europe again you are invited to come over to The Netherlands and have a trialride along the coast.

Thanks for the Offer !!! Dont let our media Scare you , were still spoiled Rotten over here thanks to our troops of the past , present and future

some questions for you:

- What does "dude" mean ?

Dude , Homie , Man , brother , friend , pal , Buddy , Mate - all Slang for a Person

- How do you see diesel on fuelefficiency ?

A Diesel Engine is 30% more efficent than a Gas engine of the same Displacement

- Are you aware of GTL (gas to liquid) fuels being available for dieselengines only ?

No Im Not

- if yes on GTL, are you using it and what is the outcome ?
- why does the forum exhaust picture shows smoke. whoes car is that being out of tune?

Most of our trucks puff black smoke because we cannot afford twin turbos , We are running way more fuel than Stock Configuations , 2 times the fuel PSI and Way Way bigger Injectors , Fire Hoses :) When we take off it takes a while to get our turbo to spool because we dont have a small charger only meduim to big , once the turbo spools the smoke clears up and away we go !! Some of us have 2 turbos , and some of us have proper fuel to air mixtures and do not smoke , most of us have a ton of fuel and not enough air and run 1200* EGT's on a normal basis



with best regards

Erik Vegt ceo
EVA Products BV Holland

Thanks for your input , and your english isnt bad at all we just want to learn more about your product and offer suggestions for your USA counterpart ,

Eggerly Awaiting more feedback :pca1:

Just did the math and this bike gets 99.2 Miles Per Gallon , and is AWD !!

DM 99mpg u serious?

Its 40 KM per Liter , I converted to to Miles and Gallons and got over 99

Even if the price of admission is a bit high, I don't think it would take very long to recover that in fuel savings compared to our trucks. ie.. think of what your fuel cost would be for the year, riding the bike whenever feasible, as opposed to driving your truck. If the dollar gets stronger, that will also mean less cash outlay initially.
Just another thought.. with that thing being a common rail and tuned for efficiency, I doubt passing emissions would be a problem. It would be nice to have the option of an onboard tuner of sorts. Even something along the lines of the way a TS MP-8 works with a three position switch.
JB

:howdy:

We will be offering a 3 stage setup for the driver. This will change output from rain / tour to sport position.
100+ of settings are possible but on a motorcycle during riding it is not recommendable to change settings because of safety problems.

Tuning for us is optimising and not let everyone do what they want. than we get garanty problems and shortend lifespan of all components.

On this dollar issue , from european point of view "yes you can american" it should be done by downsize fuelconsumption and inject money in more efficient technology and alternative powersources like sun and wind energy. when you stay with your big fuel consumption trucks you economy will be dead soon from european point of view / history.

Why do your trucks use so much fuel ? weight ? poor fueleconomy ? oldfashion technology ? car manufacturer manipulatings ? brute force .. / sound ?......

The big reason we produce the Track T-800CDI is to be ready for the future.

Does anyone on this forum use 100% GTL fuel allready ? I like to discuss that item if possible.


regards

Erik Vegt
EVA Products Holland

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regards

For some reason i cannot wrap my mind around GTL , Propane is Liquid to Gas I think , and i think natural gas is burned as a gas and is not converted to a liquid first but i may be wrong

i have not seen gtl around here.

i know of cng

What is GTL and why .... info
 

GTL

The conversion of natural gas into liquid fuel through the Fischer-Tropsch process.

GTL Fuel for transport, in particular, is a clear, clean fuel, virtually free of sulphur and aromatics and has a very high cetane number. Cetane number is a measure of fuel combustion quality – the higher the cetane number, the more complete the combustion. GTL Fuel has a cetane number of 75-80, much higher than the typical refinery diesel range of 45-50
GTL Fuel has a large number of benefits for both regulators and fleet operators. It can be used in conventional diesel engines, but provides significantly lower emissions of local pollutants, such as particulates, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides, even when compared to so-called 'sulphur-free' diesel.

Emission Benefits

GTL Fuel significantly contributes to the reduction of local emissions, although percentages vary by vehicle type and test condition: light duty vs. heavy duty; Euro-3 vs. Euro-4. For example, emissions benefits for 100% GTL Fuel in a trial of Volkwagen Golf cars in Berlin in 2003 using a current modern (Euro-3) light duty engine and compared to current European diesel are approximately:
* particulates 26% lower
* nitrogen oxides 6% lower
* hydrocarbon 63% lower
* carbon monoxide 91% lower

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GTL Fuel in the race formulation, enabling the fuel to burn more cleanly and efficiently than conventional diesel.

So lets GTL.................. or what else....

regards

Erik Vegt
EVA Products Holland

Bio Diesel Currently Seems to be more talked about in the USA than GTL

biodiesel vs GTL
 

Biodiesel has to be made of a percentage of plants or waste from animalremains . there will not be enough with our current consumption. however GTL from natural gas has a great potential because there is more natural gas than oil available !!!!!!!!!

The first diesel ever was designed and build by Rudolf Diesel ( and not Vince Diesel ) to run on PPO from peanut oil. so you see were it's comming from . we lost our route on the way :ouch:
a question for dieselminded, is it possible to get a wite smoke pipe for me when i am on line, and not only because i am Dutch ........

regards

Erik Vegt
EVA Products Holland

Sorry the online status icons are not member specific .

I agree that natural gas is the best bet , for a while there it was all about ethanol , that made our food costs sky rocket , it seems they have all but bailed on that idea , now its all about hydrogen. seems like they want to skip the GTL all together

DM

DM,

Skip GTL......... and who is they ?? Is this your point of view or real info ?

Worldwide Shell and BP are building very large and new plants to produce this in very large quantities. Also scandinavian producers are producing increasing volumes.
How about the US . You have enough natural gas around the US . Why go to Irak for your energy ?

Dieselengines run better on GTL than Diesel and normal gas thats for sure !! The audi le mans racer proved this to be so. winning more races to come.
http://image.motortrend.com/f/motors...r10-engine.jpg

Or are you oldfashion overthere and / or are you afraid of new things to come ?
As i see it you DieselBombers go for power ......... or is it smoke :booo: so GTL should give you better performance with less effort.
Also you write that diesel is upcomming due to 30%+ fueleconomy.............


regards

Erik Vegt
EVA Products Holland

Im just stating whats appears to be the latest in future automobiles , information from various media outlets . What i want is cheap fuel dont really care how they do it .

From my point of view , at the beginning of this year everyone was all for biodiesel , then our food costs sky rocketed , so it was back to the drawing board , i have not heard of GTL until just now other than a few comments here and there saying "It would be nice if we could just use natural gas" , insted it seems to me that hydrogen fuel cells are whats gotten everyone intrest . and personally if it was Natual gas Vs Water & Sun as a future fuel i think i would move my chips on to Hydrogen , where as natural gas is here and now we should be using it until we perfect hydrogen fuel cells.

American media is Tooting the hydrogen horn and not GTL , its not nessacary my opinion but facts

Rather our focus on a new energy will change is a guessing game

bumping for Erik.

The Track is now in North America (Canada):jump: Not USA:bat: