H&S stops manufacturing on ALL products
 

The rumors are true, H&S has announced they are halting manufacturing on ALL of their products. They are currently in discussion with the federal government trying to reach an agreement, but I don't see any good coming from this.

Unfortunately the reality is the coal rollers are destroying the industry.

Well that sucks. They are some of the best for the 6.7 PSD...

They will have to move there production over to china

And will still not be able to sell in the USA...

Has nothing to do with where its being made... Just the EPA sticking there damn noses where they dont belong.

Doesn't matter where it's made, it will be illegal to be SOLD here. Edge and Superchips already went through this.

Thank ATS diesel for writing their letter to the EPA back when they did specifically pointing out manufacturers and giving them names of shops selling DPF deletes. I'm not saying selling an offroad product for on road use is right, but they didn't have to throw everyone under the bus like that.

Right from H&S today...

November 13th 2012

Due to our dialogue with governmental agencies within the United States, H&S Performance, LLC has decided to voluntarily suspend production of all tuning devices and EGR/DPF modification kits, effective immediately. Many H&S products and accessories not affected by this situation are still available, and will continue to be available through our dealer network and our website.

We are now working diligently to remedy this situation, and look to again offer tuning products to our customers at the earliest date possible. Rest assured that we are doing everything within our power to move forward and resume product sales, and thank each of our loyal customers for their patience and support during this time.

We at H&S are committed to providing our customers with the highest quality, most innovative products available. H&S products are unrivaled in quality, ingenuity, and technology, and are backed up by the best customer service in the industry. All future H&S products offered will be built upon these same principals, and will be manufactured to satisfy the needs of our auto enthusiast customers. Information concerning the continuation of production of our products will be made available to the public as soon as possible.

Although shipping has been suspended, H&S is committed to providing our existing customers with the highest level of service possible, and will continue to do so without interruption. Please do not hesitate to contact us at any time should you require assistance with any H&S product, we are here to help.

Thank you for your continued support of H&S Performance, LLC, the World Leader in Diesel Performance.

Wow, that is a bummer for folks who like H&S. Good thing I am not a fan of H&S products... :pca1:

Edge and Superchips have already done this too... and I see you use Edge. It's not going to stop with just them... it's going to keep going down the line, they're just attacking the big names first.

I have no doubt the trend will continue Mike, honestly surprised it took this long.

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I was thinking more along the lines of.... tuners will be smuggled across the borders just like illegal drugs

This is such junk. The government shouldnt be able to control how much power a guys truck has!! :argh:

They aren't controlling power, they are "trying" to control the "cleanliness" of that power. If you can make 1000 hp through the already gov't mandated emissions system and still pass smog tests, then there's nothing really preventing you from doing so. They are just cracking down on dirty tunes and gutting of mandatory equipment...which is a looooooong time coming, imho.

Honestly, it's not even the government, it's all the tree hugging lobbyists pushing the government into some sort of action...but I digress. :w2:

I don't care how you look at it. The freaking government SHOULD NOT be able to control what I do to my truck!!!

I wonder what will still be available. I'm going to guess nothing that tunes an engine.

I think im gonna stock up on these products for when the canadian government say "whow maybe we should do the same as our neighbours to the south eh." lol until then i am in total control of my engine. I think federal govmt needs to pull the reigns on these little state agencies and look at redirecting those funds back into strenghthening the economy cause h&s creates manufaturing jobs and dealers who supply those products to us also stimulate the economy. Check out canadian dealers they may still have a large inventory of products.

Shhhh, don't tell them that! Let's keep the toys up here for us! :ha:

Canada is like an attic, full of neat things but everyone forgets it's up there!

Here in Davis county, Utah they require diesels to go in every year to a county emissions testing center egr delete kits automatic fail its ridiculous I register my truck in weber county lol

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Ya your right RA. Shhh!

so what I don't understand is how can the EPA shut down a company that makes kits for "off-road" use, and IIRC requires the end consumer to sign an affidavit stating they are using it on an "off-road" vehicle.

unless H&S installed these at their shop where a truck was driven in off a public road and left on a public road I do not see them as being liable. the END user is the one to blame. they knowingly installed the DPF delete kit on an ON-road vehicle after stating that they were installing it on an "off-road" vehicle. there are too many individuals for them to go after and make it worth their while.

and for those saying to lay off ATS because the letter was never sent that threw H&S under the bus.... i am 99% sure once it surfaced on the internet the EPA was well aware of it.... all because H&S was hurting their bottom line.... it makes me almost want to remove my ATS flex plate.... almost... for the principal of the matter....

here is a great example, there is a GREAT exhaust shop here in town, they WILL NOT remove a CAT off a car unless they replace it with another. BUT they will do a catless exhaust IF you trailer the vehicle up there without a tag on it and with "drag" style tires installed as proof that it is an "offroad" vehicle and have the customer sign the receipt stating it is an "off-road" vehicle and emissions exempt. so unless EPA can PROVE that H&S sold and marketed these specifically to on-road trucks and willingly sold them for use on those vehicles or installed these on on-road use vehicles the EPA legally has no leg to stand on, IMHO....

now the "coal rollers" understand why people are so quick to jump down their throats.. this right here is why...

This is a little "state agency" it's federal. They're complete morons. They're making decisions based on making themselves money and I bet 1/2 the people on the board for the EPA don't even know what a damn DPF is. Let's not forget Gale Banks is sitting on this EPA board as well... If that's not a conflict of interest I don't know what is.


They can shut them down because H&S has some responsibility in knowing where their product is going, even with the waivers being signed. It sucks, but it's the way it is. They announced yesterday they will continue to keep making products, but NO tuning devices now.

Wonder what other companies will come under scrutiny next? :argh:

Smarty has already pulled all the ME (egr and dpf delete) software off there website... and are as of right now, not offering updates or help to us with them

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When did that happen?

Easy because the EPA has placed emission restrictions on all engines gas or diesel, on or off road. If you go down to wally world today and buy a new lawn mower it has passed EPA guidelines. The EPA can do whatever they want they're government. so much for your free country. :td:

Yesterday is when it disappeared

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Very interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

On Cumminsforum, they have a thread with all the updates for the h&s products and Smarty too... http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=548400 its in there somewhere.

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Can you post the CF thread link?
All of the manufacturing has been stopped voluntarily at this point. I spoke with Casey at H&S This morning

To answer your first question about off road use. All off road equipment basicaly has the same standards as on road equipment. Including DPF's and most using urea. So no more loop hole I guess :argh:

Typically updates make things better. So by removing updates they have indicated that we will no be stuck with status quo. Things will not improve by stopping updates it just means that stuff will not continue to run clean. They think its dirty now when the standard get more stringent we will all be running around with innefficient coal burners. My smarty dont smoke unless my filter is plugged. What happens if microsoft stops updates their shit will run great a world of beautiful blue screens and computer ghonaherpasyphalaids. Lol