Navistars Days Are Numbered......
 

:pca1: Very INTERESTING...... In the second link look at the hood lol Looks like its gonna be :": alil :": bit bigger....... PickupTrucks.com: Upcoming Ford Scorpion Diesel Said To Have Big Sting


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Food for thought...... :humm:

cool, i hope it works out.

6.7l yet!!!

One day they'll be back to great 7.3L.

doubt that ever

7.3 couldnt keep up with the power of other company's diesels and it couldnt meet the emmision laws

If they ever run a 7.3 sized engine again it will not be anything like the 7.3 we know now.

i hope one day Ford will finally get or build better diesel than Cummie and end this pointless war forever :argh::tttt:

I was referring the the reliability of this motor. For it's time, it was one heck of a great motor. The 7.3 may not be the highest performance motor out there, but it had no major problems that I know of. There are always things that can be improved for performance, but in stock trim it is extremely reliable.

There's also no replacement for displacement.....:U:

Isn't Navistar buying CAT's over the road engine division??? After ford falls on it's face with this engine and they go crawling back to navistar it is conceivable that you could find a yellow engine under the hood .. or at least a yellow engine painted like a navistar.

Dunno if Navistar did or if its being bought or not, but I was talkin to the CAT rep at work 2day and he said he got a 9 page book on how the OTR engine program isn't done yet. According to him, its just on hold and that the engine is ONLY goin to be offered in International trucks. More food for thought.... :w2:

Well I've ALWAYS been a Ford man and the only reason I bought a Dodge is because of the Cummins. I just don't understand why the other two of the big three don't build inline six turbo diesels? It just doesn't make good business sense not to. Now if Ford would work on the RUMORS that have been goin on for ten years and put a Cat under the hood or an inline six turbo diesel I think they'd damn near monopolize the market and have 3/4 ton and up sales go through the roof. I doubt there's too many people that would disagree with me on this. I know I'd get a second job to buy one if they did that.

Who says the Ford motor will fall on it's face.....only time will tell, but they have had a lot of time to get it right. I think it will be interesting to say the least. I think they have too much at stake to screw up.

What do you feel is so special about an I-6 over a V-8?

Navistar sucks.....Just look at the 5 PSD's outside my shop....

Well let's just look at this. Have you EVER seen or heard of a Powerstroke or Duramax or old 6.2 or 6.5 getting anywhere near the mileage before having to be rebuilt. The longevity of these motors is just incredible. I think it has a lot to do with eveyrthing going straight up and down instead of the "v" configuration. Look at even a gas motor for example. The old Ford 300 inline six. You could beat the hell out of those motors and they run forever and are torquey as hell. Jeep too, they're 4.0L inline six, another awesome example.

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With the exception of the old Cat 3208 motors look at OTR trucks that run hundreds of thousands and some a million miles plus. ALL inline six motors and a vast majority of construction equipment as well.

The worst part about navistar engines in ford trucks is the ford electronics. The same engines with navistar electronics run without trouble. Ford is also notorious for being hard for suppliers to work with. My buddy has several 2002 F350 rolling chassis' that a local company was using to develop a factory air ride system for ford. Needless to say ford's demands were such that the company dropped the project. Could you imagine if they had a factory air ride system that would fix the hay wagon suspension they currently use??? Its basically the same thing that happened with the 6.0 and the 6.4 ... ford demanded engines before navistar was ready to give them engines.

IMO Ford has always had the better looking better built trucks. One of our company Chevy's only has 130K on it, maybe 5 years old and already has door and trim pieces falling off. Mostly highway miles too.....

I also don't expect a truck to ride like a caddy....if I wanted a caddy, I'd buy one. My truck doesn't ride all that bad, and neither does my dad's F-350 long bed for that matter. They ride really great when loaded. Put 1k in the bed of my truck and they ride like a dream.

From what they have told us it will be a joint effort between CAT and Navastar, don't know the details as we do not build the over the road engines.


Oh and by the way that new ford is ugly.

wat ever happens, happens. i like all diesels.

I totally agree with you. That's why I said if Ford were to put an inline six turbo diesel I'd come back tomorrow. LOL, I miss em so much I'm seriously considering getting a late 90s early 2000s model and doin a Cummins swap. The Cat C7 would be ideal but I'd have enough of a hard time affording the buying of the truck, motor and all related swap pieces to do a Cummins.

Its gonna be interesting to see what happens a little farther down the road. Fords are alright in my opinion, they have never really worked super well out on the ranch for us but I still hope this works out for them. Good luck to Ford. :c:

Somebody forgot to tell all those diesel trians that the inline diesels were better than a V Configuration. They also forgot to tell all of the super dump trucks, too. :w2:

All those motors do is spin a generator and all of the gen sets that I've ever installed are in the V config even Cummins! V's are better suited for those conditions higher rpm more compact design for the power output and just look at the displacement on the motor..... Once the gen set is spinnin at 2000rpm thats it, it just has to maintain the rpm. The last one I installed was a v16 Cat. When we did the load test on it with the whole hospital on it, it was showing only 15% load on the motor......

Thats a normal size door behind it to get an idea of the size.... http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...397421_251.jpg

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obviously you havent paid much attention to chevrolets looks for the last 5 years. you wanna talk about ugly. whoever the dumbass engineer was that thought up putting avalanche headleads and hoods on a truck needs to be shot in the face.:ph:

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this is supposed to be the reason for the quote dont know what happened

Oh so that means that don't do any work??? I can tell you that you can sure hear the load on those trains when they are climbing a pass like Cajon.

Oh for sure they get a load on them! It just has to deal with the space limitations more than anything, not becuase its a superior design. Inline 16 vs. v16 :humm:

Yeah if i agree trucks are supposed to ride like trucks there not supposed to be nice and smooth and comfortable yeah its nice but if your really worried about ride and all that buy a car:humm:

I wish ford would of built an inline 6 because yes they do have alot more torgue in the bottom end of the RPM range and are alot more durable to what we do to them now a days, you can run 800 HP on the stock bottom end of a cummins without ever dropping the oil pan:pca1:

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Well, all the motor talk aside. I think the big three are losin sight of what 90% of the real world uses these trucks for. Most of us could care less about adjustable footpedals, plush interiors and other useless junk like that. I HATE HATE HATE the carpet in my truck and would put a vinyl floor in it tomorrow if I could find one. But they need to get back to no nonsense work trucks. I mean look at the new Chevy's. We've got the 2500's here in Iraq as lease trucks, the metal on the beds is so thin that they're creasing from LITERALLY people sitting on the bed rail!!!!!:argh::argh::argh: BRING BACK OLD SCHOOL WORK TRUCKS!!!!!!!! Ex; 77-79 Ford HiBoy, BULLETPROOF

think of it a 77-70 hiboy with a cummins or a powerstroke that would be bulletproof:humm:

The CAT 3500 series goes on more than just gensets, the use them in mining equipment, and marine uses, we build a lot of the 3500 motors for yahts and other boats and the the 3600 goes into bigger ships. The " inline is better than a V dsign story is getting old, the only benifit is a few less moving parts and a little simpler design. The 3500 cat puts out about 200hp per cyln and the 3600 cat puts out about 400 hp per cyln, not sure on what the new c175 puts out, but its more than 200 per cyln.


A little note for the Cummins fans that always use the inline is beter line, Cummins is coming out with V6 and V8 engines for there trucks and SUV, and I will bet the inline 6.7 is on on borrowed time, just a hunch.

Of course they are used in other apps other than gen. sets, I was just saying in the train and big mining trucks that's its purpose. Not knockin the v design at all, just sharing my experience with the v motor in gen. set apps. I could care less what badge is on the grill of a diesel truck, were all on the same team doing what we love: driving, bombin and enjoying our trucks! :c:


Back on topic..... How about that new Ford diesel that will hopefully be a good investment for the company!? :pca1:

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BLASPHAMY!!!!!!!!!! LOL, don't you put that evin on the 6.7 Lord I hope he's wrong.

the point behind an inline 6 over a V8 is less moving parts and less resistance.... that is why the cummins is more reliable.... The problems with Ford stems to Navistar, not the electronics.... Navistar pushed their stuff onto ford before Ford was ready... and there haven't been many electrical issues since the early 99's and the 03 6.0..... if you really want to get down and dirty... its mainly EPA standards that are making these engines unreliable.... and while the cummins is a great motor, the tranny up until the 48RE ws a POS.... and you want me to start on the allison for chevy? The first two years they were breaking left and right almost to the point of a massive recall, but they fixed that..... lets look at the overheating issues and the injector issues too on the d-max.....

ALL THREE COMPANIES HAVE HAD ISSUES GUYS..... and they have fixed them only to have the EPA step up and make more...... why do we always fight amongst each other..... lets take all this anger and direct it towards Toyota and Nissan and Honda.... thats who we need to fight against..... I love all diesel trucks and I dont care which brand it is as long as its American!!!!!

Could not agree more.

Amen

too bad most dodges are built in mexico.......and so will be the rest of the plants as they are slowly shutting down all over america.......