Thought adrenaline hpop was shot.. turned out no oil. NOT starting?
 

Alright long story here guys. Truck is a 2002 crew cab, 6spd, short box, 7.3. It has 433k on body, about 80k on motor. Truck has bully dog 6pos 4bank tuner, 1.0exhaust housing, stealth adrenaline hpop, intake, and exhaust.

Truck was driving fine. One day, it started acting goofy and shut down. Had the fuel injectors/lines purged of air. It ran fine for a few more days. Then it died on the side of the highway. Had it towed to Ford dealership. First they said IPR is shot. They replaced it (for a LOT of money). Didn't fix the truck. They said hpop is shot. Gonna be like 3 grand. Efffff that! So we picked up the truck. We bought a used hpop, and towed the truck to the house. We started tearing the stealth adrenaline hpop out, and out of curiousity, I pulled the oil dipstick. Just a smidge was barely touching the tip of it. Cleaned the dipstick, NOTHING was touching it. ZERO oil. We thought "sh*t, this hpop's fine, there's just no damn oil to fire the heui!". We put the stealth back together (didn't fill the hpop reservoir), filled up the fuel bowl (by cranking the motor), and we know there is oil flow because the pass-side head from the hpop wasn't in tight and it was flowing all over the head/valley. The truck took a good 2 gallons of oil to reach the Full mark on the dipstick.

Truck just cranks and cranks and cranks. We sprayed ether, the truck just cranked faster. The rpm's aren't registering upon cranking... and the oil-gauge does register a bit of oil when cranking it. All the fuses are intact.

I think the truck only smoked out the stack when we sprayed ether in there. We were cranking on the truck for a good hour, so we know for a fact there is oil in the reservoir/hpop, and fuel in the bowl. But it sounds electrical to me, since the ether didn't even wanna fire it.

Are we talking a cps here?

Matt

Another truck with no oil...?

Seems to be a pattern here

I was posting for a friend. It's not my truck. Any actual input?

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ALSO.. the truck took 2 gallons of oil to come up to the operating line.

Ok first question where'd the oil go? Leaks? Pretty sure driving around 8 qrts low isn't gonna help things any.

The truck was driven from TX to VA. Before it was driven from TX, it needed oil. I'm assuming it just mildly consumes it, and perhaps it does leak from somewhere.. but I believe it was an accumulation of him just not checking the oil and driving it to the point where it consumed/leaked that much out. But I think thats why the truck initially shut down; it wasn't pushing the heui injectors.

There is no such animal as a "Stealth Adrenaline HPOP"... There is a Dual Stealth pump, a new single Stealth pump and a DieselSite Adrenaline pump... It really doesnt matter right now but lets find out what pump you really have.



What did Ford do to come to the conclusion that it was a HPOP issue? What tests did they run? Find that out first. Ford may be on the right track.[/QUOTE]

...You do NOT need to crank on the motor to fill the fuel bowl or the injector rails. Thats why you have an electric fuel pump. Turn the key to the run pos, wait for about 30 seconds, do it again, wait, again, wait... Your fuel bowl and rails are now full. Then crank to fill the HPO rails.

Two gallons of oil means there was still 1.5 gallons of oil in the motor, not great, but still enough to fire and drive the truck. Low oil is not your issue, its an issue, but not the one.

And I am sure you know enough to NOT SPRAY STARTING FLUID WITH THE GLOW PLUGS HOOKED UP!!!

Stop cranking on it until you can check the HPO Pressure and duty cycle of the pump.

The fact that it was not smoking means nothing as to a dognostic, other then the injectors are not firing.

The PCM will not even send power to the injectors until there is 350psi of oil pressure. This leads me to believe that you have a HPO issue. Be it a bad HPOP as Ford suggested or a leaking injector or injectors...

Find someone with the proper scan tools and go from there.

^Wow dude your a beast with these things. I'll answer in segments also.


1. It's an adrenaline pump.. sorry about the confusion.

2. Ford hooked up some crazy plumbing onto the hpop system and ran some pressure-diagnostic. BUT, like I said there was 2gallons short in the crankcase.. how accurate could that test actually have been??

3. I figured as much, regarding the fuel bowl, but wasn't sure. Thanks for clearing that up. But I was reading on the site a week ago that some dude was 1.5gallons short of oil in the crank-case, and his truck wouldn't run until he topped off the oil.

4. Ford said that the hpop was bad due to putting out low pressure; but we figured since it was low on oil, they were full of isht and couldn't have accurately diagnosed it...

Now my question is, and everybody on the ORG is saying the same thing, if I spray ether into that motor.. EVEN if it's not injecting fuel, that ether will make that motor rumble to life. The ORG is saying that the motor must have NO compression for the ether to not make it start up?

In my experience that's false.. we had a straight truck at work with a 7.3 in it and it would not run on just ether. And I def kno it wasn't getting fuel because I had the fuel line off the pump diagnosing it.

Redddd ratttttler. Whats up buddy?
Thanks for the input. Thats interesting. What did the truck do while cranking on it and spraying it with ether? Just crank and crank and crank?

I've had a 7.3 stroker fire on ether. not smooth running but it fired the motor up and died when it used the ether in the intake.

Do you really think the motor has no compression...:nope:

Sounds like Ford did a leak down test on the HPO system, which again leads me to believe your issue is the HPOP...

Get someone that can watch duty cycle and ICP while you crank.

I mean.. the motor DID kinda-sorta run for a few seconds.. the motor wasn't full-blown alive-running.. but it did half-a$$ed really quietly run for a few seconds using the ether.

I dont believe compression is low.. hell now. That doesn't make sense on that motor to me. So are you saying that the ether-test is bs, and that doesn't exactly mean there is internal damage?

Does the tachometer not registering have anything to do with this?

EDIT: And could Ford do this leakdown test with no motor oil in the truck?

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So I was talking to a buddy, and he said that since there was tons of smoke coming out of the stack when spraying the ether in the truck, that it WAS burning the ether. Which makes sense to me... obviously the motor was compressing it and igniting it in some way shape or form, for it to be blowing out of the stack??

One other thing to check... Pull the top of the reservoir off and see if there is even any oil in there. It could be an issue with the Low Pressure Oil Pump (LPOP) not even feeding the HPOP. As indicated earlier, the injectors won't even activate until ICP has reached a sufficient level.

Do you have access to a scan tool? If so, monitor ICP, IPR, and RPM. Those three things need to be in line or the engine won't crank.

Good luck!

I know this isn't quite the same as pulling the reservoir.. but I accidentally didn't press the pass-side oil line into the head tight enough and it was leaking oil out of that line. So i'm pretty certain the hpop reservoir is full :)

Trucks with intercoolers on them do not just fire on ether as easy as a truck without the cooler will. You have to spray wayyyy too much ether to get them to run and thats not good..... You really need to scann this truck while cranking.... IPC nned to be close to 400 psi and you need cranking rpm indicated...... You can put this hole oil level thingto rest by checking the upper resevoir. It needs to be within one inch of the top..... Crank Sensor or HPOP are probably gonna fix this.. scan it to save money...

My dad had the same problem with his 98 7.3, ford said the o-rings in the injectors go bad and dump oil in to the fuel tank. that would be a place to start if everything else looks good:c:

^Good info guys... appreciate that. I'm waiting to hear back from the guy unfortunately.

I just registered and subscribed to this thread. I just had this very thing happen to me Friday. I run two online businesses and we're also in the middle of a remodel and add-on (just think HECTIC!!!!) so I can't jump right on this - and don't need to as I have spare trucks to drive but my old trusty '99 F350 is my favorite truck. Only has 294,000 on it so when she laid down just as I pulled out of my driveway I was not thinking anything serious.

I had just had the oil changed Thursday and driven it pretty much straight home which is about 15 miles from town and parked it. So Friday as I'm loading up the orders I am running against the wire (as usual) to make it to the post office in time. I crank it up and immediately throw it in drive, haul arse to end of the drive and romped on it. Not floored as in spin the tires (which it will do -it's chipped) but gave it plenty of reign.

I got up to about 60mph and she bogged down, throwing me forward even as though I'd hit the brakes fairly hard. Not slammed them on but as if it had suddenly started running on gas. If you've ever put gas in your diesel you know what I mean. No power at all and just barely putters along.

So I did tap the brakes to bring it to a complete stop, and the way it was barely running I knew there was no way for me to turn around so I began backing up the slight incline but no dice. She got about 50' and died completely. i walked the short distance back to the house and the wife and I towed it home. i didn't even pop the hood until yesterday my nearest neighbor came over and we got to talking and one thing led to another and i decided to pull the dipstick to see if there was water in the oil. But there was not oil on the stick! Just one tiny drop actually.

So that's where I'm at. I intend to put some oil in it and see if it'll crank even though some of the more experienced members here do not believe that will do it. I'm a hard head. Won't be able to get to it until this afternoon (have to send the wife to town to get the oil) but I'll update y'all when I do it and give the results.

I hope it's nothing major and 85_305 I hope the same for you.






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I would suggest making another thread so you get more views; but you may as well have a bad hpop. Good luck man