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kd8dzh 08-18-2011 09:10 AM
towing with 06 6.0
 
i pull about 8,000 lbs with my 2006 6.0. my transmission sometimse gets up to 190 degrees
( when i pull a long hill, or slow down through town). it usally stays around 170 as long as i keep speed and don't push it to hard. i have a edge evoultion. i am wondering if i should put a torque converter in or do any upgrades to the trans? i don't think temps around 180 will hurt anything for short ttime periods. :humm:

Mdub707 08-18-2011 10:38 AM
Yeah, those temps are completey fine. The thermostat in the trans doesn't even open up until 180*. Why do you think you need a torque converter? The stock converters in these are pretty hefty. They're a triple disk converter factory. I'd say if anything, get an SCT with custom tunes, they will make your tranny very happy.

kd8dzh 08-18-2011 11:41 AM
how hot is to hot? when it starts getting damage done. i someimes get in to rough spots and have to push it hard. (4x4) how much power will the stock heads ans studs hold?

2005_6.0_stroker 08-21-2011 10:36 PM
yeah, i have been wondering this myself.... i get my egt's up to 1400 for a few sec. while i am seeing how i stack up with other diesel guys.. :yeah:

Mdub707 08-22-2011 07:47 AM
Originally Posted by kd8dzh (Post 788300)
how hot is to hot? when it starts getting damage done. i someimes get in to rough spots and have to push it hard. (4x4) how much power will the stock heads ans studs hold?
What mods do you have? Is this truck stock? You probably CAN'T get it too hot running stock... If you're referring to the trans, it's hard to say, there isn't a set temp where everything all of a sudden melts. Obviously, less heat is better. Once you start getting past 225 temps, I'd start slowing down quite a bit. My guess is you will never see this, the 5R110 is a great trans and runs pretty cool. Do you have a trans temp gauge or are you going off the factory piece?

Originally Posted by 2005_6.0_stroker (Post 789434)
yeah, i have been wondering this myself.... i get my egt's up to 1400 for a few sec. while i am seeing how i stack up with other diesel guys.. :yeah:
EGT's are a different story. You can do quick bursts up to whatever, but for extended periods such as towing up a hill or anything like that, most say not to go over 1250 for long periods. Think about it like an oven. You preheat the oven to 450 to cook something. You can stick you hand in quick and pull it out and not be burnt, but if you leave it in there for 60 seconds, it will probalby burn pretty good. I try not to go over 1100 myself (pretty conservative) when towing. When racing, I've buried my 1600* gauge a few times. If you're drag racing or sled pulling, you might as well put a piece of tape over the pyro.

kd8dzh 08-22-2011 09:22 AM
my egt's normally stay below 1100. sometimes get a litle over 1200 when pulling out on a hill. it hardly ever gets above 1100 even pulling my 8000 lbs trailer. i have trouble keeping the probe in the header. have had to put it back in 3 times.

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i have a edge evoultion, aem air intake and a flowmaster exhaust. i don't baby the truck, but i don't push it to its breaking point. i watch the temps and try to keep things cool.

Mdub707 08-22-2011 09:54 AM
What levels are you running on the Edge. Your trans will thank you if you switch over to an SCT with custom tunes. Is your exhaust a full turbo back?

Why is your EGT probe blowing out... sum ting wong...

I strongly suggest you look at some custom tow tunes from someone like Eric @ Innovative. Your truck will run better, tow better, and the trans will shift much better.:c:

kd8dzh 08-22-2011 01:58 PM
i usually run level 3. afraid to run 4. (only has 4 level) its a cat back. only reason i have he edge is i won it in a contest. don't know why the prob comes out.( not getting it tight or what i donno) how much is the sct?

esetzer 08-22-2011 02:13 PM
I love my SCT tuner... esp for the trans. I can modify it to shift how i want and it does help with the feel of it esp. while towing. almost limitless ability depending on how good the guy is writing the program for you for how well you want it to preform/run. I never regreted getting mine. I picked up mine with a EGT module as well... just need to install it one of these days.

Mdub707 08-22-2011 03:10 PM
The probe should be an NPT fitting. Are you just not getting it tight enough? I wonder what would cause it to loosen up like that.

You could probably sell the Edge on ebay or craigslist, and get enough to jump into a used SCT. For our trucks an X-cal2 would work. It's the older design than the current X-cal 3, but is perfectly fine for a 6.0. (X-3 has a couple more features, but not really needed, I still use an X-2).

Brand new you can get one for about $425 with 3 free custom tunes, extreme tunes are $80 upgrade. Or find one used for the $150-$200 price range, get the tunes separate. They vary from vendor to vendor but for a good tune expect to pay between $40 and $65. I know Innovative is $65 each, or $165 for 3 I believe.

2005_6.0_stroker 08-22-2011 07:03 PM
@ Mdub707,

i have quite a few mods... here is the list. Edge juice w/ att. platinum (hot stage unlocked), upgraded fuel pres. regulator spring, banjo bolt mod, airdog 2 165 w/adjst. reg. , rcd egr delete, 5" exhaust turbo back, afe stage 2 intake, water/ meth, i never tow on high stages, mainly on 2 or 3. I only use stage 6 for smoke ..and noise. i just like to get on it with it turned up till i hit like 80 mph, but as i do it defuels because of heat and i don't want to melt it down. so your sayin i am "safe" to do it but.. not alot and for short periods of time?:jump:

Mdub707 08-22-2011 07:41 PM
Sell that thing and get an SCT. Short bursts are fine. I know guys pushing 2000 degrees sled pulling... just prolonged exposure kills it. You'd be safer and I bet you'd have LOWER egt's and be FASTER with an SCT... just my 2 cents.

The defuel on the Edge is user adjustable, so you can set it for whatever you want. Just be smart, don't tow on hot tunes is all. :c:

You basically have the same mods as me except I don't have the fuel pump and I don't have water/meth. What mix are you running for w/m? I'd keep the water content high and the meth low, it could be adding to your higher EGT's. What EGT are you hitting when it's defueling?

2005_6.0_stroker 08-22-2011 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Mdub707 (Post 789751)
Sell that thing and get an SCT. Short bursts are fine. I know guys pushing 2000 degrees sled pulling... just prolonged exposure kills it. You'd be safer and I bet you'd have LOWER egt's and be FASTER with an SCT... just my 2 cents.

The defuel on the Edge is user adjustable, so you can set it for whatever you want. Just be smart, don't tow on hot tunes is all. :c:

You basically have the same mods as me except I don't have the fuel pump and I don't have water/meth. What mix are you running for w/m? I'd keep the water content high and the meth low, it could be adding to your higher EGT's. What EGT are you hitting when it's defueling?
i did adjust the defuel, and as far as the water/meth goes i love it when i tow, i do like a 30 meth/70 water to tow. and like 50/50 or 60/40 for fun. with the tow mix and tow mode i pull strong and run around 1000 deg. on a big hill. thats pullin a 21' boat fully loaded.

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oh and sorry about stealing the thread....:w2:

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Originally Posted by Mdub707 (Post 789751)
Sell that thing and get an SCT. Short bursts are fine. I know guys pushing 2000 degrees sled pulling... just prolonged exposure kills it. You'd be safer and I bet you'd have LOWER egt's and be FASTER with an SCT... just my 2 cents.

The defuel on the Edge is user adjustable, so you can set it for whatever you want. Just be smart, don't tow on hot tunes is all. :c:

You basically have the same mods as me except I don't have the fuel pump and I don't have water/meth. What mix are you running for w/m? I'd keep the water content high and the meth low, it could be adding to your higher EGT's. What EGT are you hitting when it's defueling?
If i did get the sct which one would i get? i know about the flash tuner but don't really wanna loose my grab bar for gauges. it helps getting into my truck (6" lift)

kd8dzh 08-23-2011 01:03 AM
2005 6.0

how hard is the water/meth to install? i have thought about getting it. how much does it help towing, and how often do you refill the tank?

Mdub707 08-23-2011 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by 2005_6.0_stroker (Post 789775)
i did adjust the defuel, and as far as the water/meth goes i love it when i tow, i do like a 30 meth/70 water to tow. and like 50/50 or 60/40 for fun. with the tow mix and tow mode i pull strong and run around 1000 deg. on a big hill. thats pullin a 21' boat fully loaded.

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If i did get the sct which one would i get? i know about the flash tuner but don't really wanna loose my grab bar for gauges. it helps getting into my truck (6" lift)
I would run nothing more than 30/70 mix at any point EVER on one of these trucks. I just don't trust the meth. It's not a controlled burn. It actually burns as the piston is already travelling back down so often times it just adds more heat and not very much power. Most 6.0 owners I see using it run a 20/80 or 30/70 mix, mostly for the water cooling, and just a little meth to keep it from freezing. I plan on doing my own DIY kit at some point here, I will mainly be using mine for cooling and to keep the combustion chamber squeaky clean, especially running on WVO.

SCT offers a few options, if you're buying new, the handheld tuners are the X-cal3 and the SF3. Xcal will ONLY hold 3 custom tunes. SF3 will hold 3 canned tunes and 3 custom. Either is fine, but you want to be using custom tunes. They also sell the livewire, which is what would most likely mount where your grab handle is, it is gauges/tuner all in one. I would get gauges no matter what. Where you choose to mount them is up to you, you can do an over the mirror pod too. There are a few options if you don't want to lose the grab handle.

Originally Posted by kd8dzh (Post 789850)
2005 6.0

how hard is the water/meth to install? i have thought about getting it. how much does it help towing, and how often do you refill the tank?
Shouldn't be hard at all, but it's going to depend on what kit you go with, and where you're mounting everything like the tank and what not. If you're running stock or low power levels, it's not really needed per se. Refill will depend on a few things, like if it's boost referenced or EGT referenced, and at what points it comes on, and how heavy your right foot is, also how big the tank is.:c:

Diesel_Firefighter 08-23-2011 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Mdub707 (Post 789507)
When racing, I've buried my 1600* gauge a few times. If you're drag racing or sled pulling, you might as well put a piece of tape over the pyro.
:tu: Agreed!

I haven't had any problem myself with my 06 6.0L with SCT aggressive towing tune. I pull a 28' tag trailer with super comp dragster (8k lbs+) from houston to louisianna/dallas/oklahoma with no problems with temps. EGT doesnt get over 1200 often either.

Just my encounters...

2005_6.0_stroker 08-24-2011 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by Mdub707 (Post 789950)
I would run nothing more than 30/70 mix at any point EVER on one of these trucks. I just don't trust the meth. It's not a controlled burn. It actually burns as the piston is already travelling back down so often times it just adds more heat and not very much power. Most 6.0 owners I see using it run a 20/80 or 30/70 mix, mostly for the water cooling, and just a little meth to keep it from freezing. I plan on doing my own DIY kit at some point here, I will mainly be using mine for cooling and to keep the combustion chamber squeaky clean, especially running on WVO.

SCT offers a few options, if you're buying new, the handheld tuners are the X-cal3 and the SF3. Xcal will ONLY hold 3 custom tunes. SF3 will hold 3 canned tunes and 3 custom. Either is fine, but you want to be using custom tunes. They also sell the livewire, which is what would most likely mount where your grab handle is, it is gauges/tuner all in one. I would get gauges no matter what. Where you choose to mount them is up to you, you can do an over the mirror pod too. There are a few options if you don't want to lose the grab handle.



Shouldn't be hard at all, but it's going to depend on what kit you go with, and where you're mounting everything like the tank and what not. If you're running stock or low power levels, it's not really needed per se. Refill will depend on a few things, like if it's boost referenced or EGT referenced, and at what points it comes on, and how heavy your right foot is, also how big the tank is.:c:

i run on my towing levels, and like he said it depends on where you have it turn on mine is controlled on boost.. starts at 6 psi but u can change it if you want.... i have an AEM stage 1 kit. its very simple to install. i mounted my 1 gal.tank behind my rear seat and ran my hose and wiring through the vent.( drilled a small hole to fit). then my pump on the frame rail by the fuel pump.


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