wont start enless cranked forever need help
 

Ive got a problem with my 6.0.The fuel pump stays on for 20 - 30 sec when it use to only stay on for 8-10. ive had the truck for just over a year now and its through its second winter 1 injector went out last year and this year i havent drivin it much. it all started when the batteries died and then we got it on a charger and it finally started. Now it cranks for a long time then will finally start but once it is started it will start fine enless it sits for more that a hour or so. What could be wrong with it, going on a trip in a couple of weeks and need the truck. also the check engine light isnt on.

Even though the light isn't on, you may still have codes present. I'd try getting it scanned. You should also test fuel pressure and probably have your batteries load tested and then test the FICM. All of this is pretty simple to do.

thanks will be sure to go check that stuff today, and where can i get the ficm and how much

Ficm you can get from Ford, or you can try and resolder it yourself, or you can call up Swamps diesel and order a "fixed" one from them or even an upgraded one.

resolder yourself costs: some of your time, a solder gun, a few beers
Swamps unit: $400 I think, more if you want a full upgrade to a 58V unit
Ford half shell is just over $400, a full new one is over $900 + a core.

If you don't want to resolder it yourself, call up swamps.

Test it first, it may still be good. Just google it, tons of write ups on how to check it and fix it.

ok thank you been a great help

Any smoke coming out the tail pipe while cranking over?

agree with the ficm check, but also might want to check BOTH fuel filters, might explain the long run time to reach pressure

Are you sure your hearing the fuel pump and not the vacuum pump?

I think that my ficm might be going out my truck has trouble starting when it is cold, i have heard that soldering them helps but i have no idea what i am soldering can someone help me?

if you solder and it does not fix it you will only get 50 dollars for the FICM
SWamps have a 170 core charge not tampered with..

Best bet is to search FICM on this forum ....there is a video showing how to test while in truck....

http://www.swampsdiesel.com/content/faq/ficm.htm



and the numbers you should get ...turned on and cranking ....:hellox:

You need to get numbers testing it while the key is on engine off, cranking, and running. I have one on the bench right now that tests fine with the KOEO, Cranking, but as soon as truck is running voltage starts dropping on it.

I'd put money of your FICM Being bad

hey guys so we took the truck anyway on our trip to oklahoma and we made it 3hrs from the border when we pulled up to the end of the turnpike for the toll road it died and wouldnt start. about half way down there we had it on cruise and all of a sudden we heard a loud pop and the cruse went off and the abs light came on. when it died we took it to a shop and he told us that the fuel pump went out the low oil pressure went out and it smashed the oil filter a inch and blew all the injector orings he rebuilt the low oil pressure pump put all new orings on injectors and sold us a good fuel pump well we got it back and now its doing it again cranking forever then finally starting and it never really stopped just got better now its back to what it was long strart. any ideas ??? have you ever heard of having the ficm flashed? thats what someone told us to do were totally stuck and taking it to dealer next week sometime so if you could tell us your input that would be great and then mabe it wont be so expensive taking it to dealer
Thanks.

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No smoke enless first start up and were hearing it right under the truck on drivers front side, and it will every now and then when downshifting blow a little black smoke

Flashing wont help. You need to test that FICM, it's very easy to do, literally 10 minutes for a NEW-B, you need a buddy, a multi-meter, a 10mm and 8mm ratchet and 2 beers.

Usually starting easy cold and dying or having hard times starting when warm is a high pressure oil leak. Sounds like the mechanic that just worked on it was throwing parts at it.

If you're not getting smoke while cranking, the injectors aren't firing. Could be the FICM or a high pressure oil leak. FICM is stupid easy to check, start there. I'm PM'in you my phone number, I can walk you through the test bud. :c:

Is your truck still dead?

If not what fixed the issue?

Yeah I just re-read this whole thing and it sounds like you got taken for a ride at the shop that just did all that fuel system work. Still sounds exactly like a dead FICM. My buddy had the exact thing happen with his FICM. Threw a bunch of codes, cranked hard, started rough for a couple weeks, then one day died driving down the road at 55mph. New FICM fixed it right up. That was back before anyone knew about fixing them.

No smoke when trying to start tells us the injectors are not firing at all, IE a dead FICM.

hey, sorry its been so long just been really busy..we havent done nothing to it since havent had time just drove it. one day a few months ago it died at walmart and wouldnt start we went back the next day and it took it a min but it started. now i looked under the turbo and i see some oil on the bottom of turbo and the turbo hose looks like it has oil on it. also it either blew the turbo hose off or the shop we took it to didnt tighten it well.. any way it runs great other than long cranking and that one time it didnt start like i sayed sorry its been too long since ive been able to get on.

oil around the turbo and intercooler connections is normal, since the crankcase vents into the intake in front of the turbo, so there's always a fine oil mist getting sprayed in there. You can tighten as much as you want, you'll still have it. If the boots are loose you'll know it cause they'll blow off when you get boost built up and you will HEAR it.

Oil under the turbo could be a few things... could just be residual oil from having the turbo off, could be the turbo drain, the turbo feed, or the HPOP cover.

The long crank is still probably the FICM, takes about 15 minutes to check with a buddy to turn the key... test procedure at the top of the page. :c: