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Coolant filters and fuel fitlers
Hey guys I just got my truck back from the shop, I now have an egr delete and a new oil cooler. I wana know if anyone has a coolant filter on there truck? I see sinister diesel makes one for $130.00 or somethin. Also I wana know more about the air dog fuel filters. Do you have to change your lines as well? How often do you change these filters and are they all pumps or can you get just the filters to mount back on the frame rail? Any help would be great thanks.
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http://www.dieselsite.com/
I made my own I get my truck back today EGR cooler (I had them put a bullet proof unit in ) oil cooler and head gaskets (ARP) all in the last 5 days of warranty cant wait |
Dieselsite sells coolant filter kits for cheaper, i have one and its a necessity to keep ur oil cooler from clogging up due to sand casting debris.As far as the airdog goes, whats ur plans for the truck, i could think of many other things to spend ur money on before that.:humm:
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i think most of the airdog setups mount to the frame rails. i know if you check there website it says all the recomendations on wen to change the filter... it also comes with all of the lines
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Ok good to know. I will have to get the coolant filter next. I would like to put an sct tuner in er, stacks, rims and tires. I am debating if I need an intake or not and ARP head studs or not. This is my daily driver and I dont need to get screamin hp out of it. The only reason I was looking at the air dog is because I hear it gives the injectors some more life. Any thoughts on that? Thanks guys.
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you don't want an intake
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Forget the intake for now. Studs are a good idea. Zmann, you had yours done at the dealer, so my guess is they didn't deck the heads... you'll be doing them again sometime down the road. I already went through all this.
The airdog 2 is a great pump for our 6.0's. It will keep fuel pressure up when you're running the bigger tunes, where the stock pump will fall off. 55psi is what keeps our injectors happy. Stock pump can do this, but once you start running big tunes, it has trouble doing so. The AD2 also has adjustable regulator built in. coolant filter is also a great inexpensive investment. I think every 6.0 on the road should at a minimum have a fuel pressure gauge and a coolant filter. |
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I wanted to take them and get them professionally checked along with hardened seats but $1300 and 3 days tying up their lift wasn't happening |
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I hear ya on that. Just letting you know. Mine lasted longer with stock bolts than it did with dealer installed ARPs.
In fact, with my ARP's in is when I had my "worst" failure. I was clouding out traffic with the white smoke coming out of my stacks. Every stop sign I came to, there was a PUDDLE of coolant on the ground under me. By the time I got to my desitnation, I had white smoke rolling out between the front fenders and hood and everywhere else imaginable. In case you're wondering, this is what my dealer installed ARP's ended up looking like.... Attachment 43277 |
LOL and they say blown HG don't usually smoke out the exhaust
Mine never blew I pushed because I didn't like my Temp split so they did the ccolers and to my surprise they decided to do heads also |
Ok good info guys thanks. how much $$ would it cost to have the head studs done right? what does the airdog 2 run for $? also when you say big tunes is that like anything over the tow setting on your tuner? dont really know alot about the sct or any other tune for that matter. are there 3 settings on them or how does that work? im lookin at the cheapest sct without the custom tunes for now.
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Having heads done right consists of having heads decked/pressure checked/magnafluxed, just gone right through at the machine shop, preferably by someone who has worked with 6.0 heads before. That cost will vary, depending on level or work done. If heads need more than .008" taken off, they're more or less scrap.
This will all depend if you do the work yourself of have to pay someone to do it. ARP's around $400 gaskets should be less than $150 oil cooler on ebay for $225-$250 Full egr delete $200 OR bulletproof cooler... not sure of price, vendors can help you on that AD2 is around $650. They set the price so most vendors are going to be the same price. Big tunes, like extreme street, extreme race, street race light, looney tunes those kinds. SCT's can hold 3 custom tunes. The SF3 can hold 3 canned and 3 custom. Buying an SCT without custom tunes is kind of silly, but still better than anything else IMO. When you buy the SCT from some of the tuners, they give you three tunes for free... There are no settings on them, you plug it into the OBD port, program the truck with which tune you want to use right then, unplug and you're on your way. You want to switch tunes you need to reprogram. Programming takes about 5 minutes on an 03/04 truck and about 2 minutes or less on an 05+ truck. |
yea dieselsite makes a good coolant filter also and as far as the fuel filter goes AIR Dog is a pump with a filter if you are just loking for a filter you could just install a good racor marine filter can be bought on e-bay for less than a 100 bucks
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Is anyone running the Sinister coolant filter setup? Any photos of it installed? I think it is the most professional looking kit I've seen. Comments?
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They're not scrap!
Anytime a diesel head is planed you're going to remove some material and increase the compression ratio - BUT any knowledgeable parts guy can get you thicker head gaskets to make up for the head being cut. Just ask!
Modifying compression ratio in this manner is done like this in gas engines too. ..........Soooooo.........don't trash a head just because your shop has to plane the heads more than .008. You're throwing away a perfectly good set of heads if you do. Been there and done that. |
name a part # for a thicker 6.0 gasket?
while this may be common on a gasser I don't know of any for a 6.0 and a thicker gasket is more prone to issue IMHO |
There is a minimum thickness requirement of the head assembly, which is where the .008" comes from (though this may not be an exact number it satisfies the people on the boards and is a good rule of thumb). Last I knew, thicker headgaskets on a boosted application wasn't a good idea, but what do I know.
The black onyx/victor reinz are probably the best bet. I know the coating on the black onyx makes them thicker a little bit, but we don't have a lot of options. |
Gaskets ?? Hmmm
I guess we could stack them ? :moon: |
Laugh all ya want to Zippy, but when your jaw stops hurting from laughing call a REAL diesel shop and you'll find out that when they plane a head the reduction in deck height can be made up for, by using a thicker gasket. It's done all the time in blower engines on race cars..........and YES - on diesels too.
I built the winning engine for the 1985 Baja 500 spring classic race, so until you've done something similar THEN be quiet and listen to others. When they cut the head on a $25,000 600hp Cat diesel what do you think they do to make up for it? Toss it in a dumpster? Use bondo? Masking tape??? Call any Felpro rep and ask him if Felpro makes different thickness head gaskets for the SAME engine. He who listens and watches others LEARNS. He who closes his eyes and ears and makes stupid comments remains stupid forever! Definition: "Intelligent Quotient" (I.Q.) = The ability to learn. Forums are a great place to learn something, but you have to be "intelligent" enough to want to!!! ---AutoMerged DoublePost---
Originally Posted by Mdub707
(Post 708657)
There is a minimum thickness requirement of the head assembly, which is where the .008" comes from (though this may not be an exact number it satisfies the people on the boards and is a good rule of thumb). Last I knew, thicker headgaskets on a boosted application wasn't a good idea, but what do I know.
The black onyx/victor reinz are probably the best bet. I know the coating on the black onyx makes them thicker a little bit, but we don't have a lot of options. Anytime compression becomes a concern a qualified engine shop can o-ring the deck, but it does require machining an o-ring groove in the block's deck. The o-ring then presses up on the gasket and makes for a much tighter seal with the head. ALL top fuel (and other) dragsters use this method to seal the 40+ pounds of boost these engines develop. |
your simple thicker gasket input isn't viable option for the 6.0 Rod Boy
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Originally Posted by rodbuilder
(Post 708732)
Laugh all ya want to Zippy, but when your jaw stops hurting from laughing call a REAL diesel shop and you'll find out that when they plane a head the reduction in deck height can be made up for, by using a thicker gasket. It's done all the time in blower engines on race cars..........and YES - on diesels too.
I built the winning engine for the 1985 Baja 500 spring classic race, so until you've done something similar THEN be quiet and listen to others. When they cut the head on a $25,000 600hp Cat diesel what do you think they do to make up for it? Toss it in a dumpster? Use bondo? Masking tape??? Call any Felpro rep and ask him if Felpro makes different thickness head gaskets for the SAME engine. He who listens and watches others LEARNS. He who closes his eyes and ears and makes stupid comments remains stupid forever! Definition: "Intelligent Quotient" (I.Q.) = The ability to learn. Forums are a great place to learn something, but you have to be "intelligent" enough to want to!!! ---AutoMerged DoublePost--- ************************************************** ********** Anytime compression becomes a concern a qualified engine shop can o-ring the deck, but it does require machining an o-ring groove in the block's deck. The o-ring then presses up on the gasket and makes for a much tighter seal with the head. ALL top fuel (and other) dragsters use this method to seal the 40+ pounds of boost these engines develop. No one is questioning your background. He asked who made thicker gaskets for the 6.0...? Also I didn't know a 6.0 powerstroke was in the 1985 spring classic baja, cause I thought that's what we were talking about? I probalby know more about building Honda 450R ATV motors than you, but it doesn't qualify me to give exacts on a different engine... sure the same principles apply, but come on, we all know each and every motor has their quirks and little hidden secrets that you never know until you dig in and tear them apart and rebuild them. The minimum thickness requirement on the head comes directly from FORD. So if you want to argue who has done more in motorsports, you should call them and argue. I'm literally just regurgitating info from FORD. I will try and dig up the actual minimum thickness requirement on this. Got it, MINIMUM HEAD THICKNESS PER FORD: 3.74" Has nothing to do with what gasket you're using. |
He spent more time trying to belittle people and send himself personal accolades than He did providing any actual useful 6.0 information ,,,,I hope That long arse shpeel about how smart He is was is a paste and copy from a document He keeps on his desktop for every time someone contradicts him or ask for more info .. I would hate to think he wrote that from scratch just for us ?
because I stopped reading that garbage at "Laugh" :pca1: ps it is more common to O-ring the head than the block on a 6oh but you wouldn't know that because you just bought your first diesel ( dodge and it's in the shop cough .. get used to it ) |
It's not common to do either, and if you're on any of the big powerstroke sites, you'll see the BIG HP 6.0's do NOT have o-rings... I've heard more bad stories about o-rings on 6.0's than good, but it's tough to say because it could be machine shop error too. The point is, with good flat heads, a good flat block, gaskets and studs, there are a few 6.0's PAST the 1000rwhp mark and holding. :pca1:
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right you are .. but before you do a block o ring the heads are easier to o ring
liberator does them as do others but most common is a check and deck ,, and not 1 of the big 6oh head guys offers a thicker gasket that I can find ( why I asked for the Rod guy to find us some useful info ) ,, what they offer is a dumpster if the head is past spec ---AutoMerged DoublePost--- I called a major resource for 6.0 heads and they stated 10 thou is the max they shave and that Black Onyx gaskets are thinner by a bit than the OEM .. they can rework the heads to accommodate the more the head is surfaced ,, but there were no thicker gaskets available to accomplish this nor would they be desirable and look I provided facts without trying to tell anyone how awesome I am :moon: |
An engine is an engine. It's all intake-compression-power-exhaust. It's hilarious to me when some doofus won't work on a particular car or truck because it's "foreign", or whatever. An engine is an engine.
Know of any car or truck that's not "foreign"??? I sure as heck don't. If you want to argue about parts then hop on the phone, burn a few hours and do your own sourcing. I don't have enough time to look for everything I need, let alone searching for stuff you need..........but over-stock thickness head gaskets ARE out there, because I've used them. Just because YOU haven't heard of something or used it doesn't mean it's not available - does it? I guess maybe it does, considering your attitude! |
Originally Posted by rodbuilder
(Post 709086)
An engine is an engine. It's all intake-compression-power-exhaust. It's hilarious to me when some doofus won't work on a particular car or truck because it's "foreign", or whatever. An engine is an engine.
Know of any car or truck that's not "foreign"??? I sure as heck don't. If you want to argue about parts then hop on the phone, burn a few hours and do your own sourcing. I don't have enough time to look for everything I need, let alone searching for stuff you need..........but over-stock thickness head gaskets ARE out there, because I've used them. Just because YOU haven't heard of something or used it doesn't mean it's not available - does it? I guess maybe it does, considering your attitude! Thanks again for another useless post. The fact is, for a 6.0 powerstroke you really just don't know if thicker headgaskets are available. In theory an engine is an engine, but theory and the real world don't always line up. My turbocharged diesel engine doesn't share a lot of stuff that my twin cylinder two stroke powervalve snowmobiles do... I'll work on pretty much anything because at the end of the day it's all just nuts and bolts, but you can't sit here and tell me all engines are the same.
Originally Posted by rodbuilder
(Post 709086)
but over-stock thickness head gaskets ARE out there, because I've used them.
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Apparently thicker gaskets are available!
they are made by a company called Unobtainium Incorporated out of Urassa Mississippi but I can't find a link :humm: Kidding aside I tried to find some just for the hell of it and not one lead ,,but a bunch of threads on it not being a good idea if they were available and they are not produced My attitude .. lol |
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