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Ford doesn't own Cummins do people not understand?? :argh: Like a fool, I got into an argument over it, and said it was all bullcrap. They got something else, but not Cummins.

last i herd they own part of it

here we go AGAIN :argh:

find the proof put it on here and every time somebody says that we can go to that thread and put out there:humm:

The way I heard it was that cummins owns cummins and ford contracts out with cummins and their heavy duty/medium duty (f-650) trucks. I get the "ford owns cummins" thing.

the last time i was at rousch creek four wheelen, i was talken to a guy with a 2010 F450 with a 6.7L cummins in it...so put it this way ford owns the rights to cummins

Um, they run em in the heavy duty stuff (by contract) that's it.

who gives a shite who owns it
they make damb good motors!!!:moon:

look a lot of people own dodges because of the cummins....personally i could do with out the dodge part of my truck, it really took some getting use to thats why the next cummins i get is going in a ford

The cummins onan generator systems in the school district i used to maintenance at used ford engines that were painted cummins green :D

i heard baskin robbins owns caterpillar ? :w2:

Seems like about once a year somebody brings this dead horse up again.

i heard chevy owns navistar

I found this.

They are no longer even partial share holders , Ford own Cummins is the biggest myth to ever hit these forums . here is the full story of greed in america

1) Isuzu owned Subaru, and sold out to Fuji Heavy Industries, which was then jointly acquired by British Leyland and Ford.

(2) BL & Ford then spun off Fuji/Subaru into an independent company. Big mistake. Ford bought BL, and owned Isuzu outright. Big mistake.

(3) Isuzu entered into a joint development partnership with Navistar International. Stock interests were traded. Eventually, one of the projects would be a 7.3L V-8 light-duty diesel. Guess who picked that one up for use in its pickup trucks?

(4) Navistar also had entered into a joint development partnership with Caterpillar. One of the projects was a direct injection system that would be picked up by -- Ford. And Isuzu mediums.

(5) Caterpillar owned a large chunk of Bosch. GM owned another big chunk. And so did a third major player -- Daimler Benz. Bosch was the primary developer of Caterpillar's direct injection system. But GM forced Caterpillar to turn over its share of Bosch, and then forced Bosch to abandon direct injection in favor of developing an "improved" generation rotary injection pumps. The initial designs for those pumps had been brought to GM by former Isuzu engineers working for Ford.

(6) What did Caterpillar receive in return for giving GM its stock in Bosch? GM's stock in Cummins. Ford then sold its small share of Cummins stock because of antitrust regulations in the U.S. Caterpillar, on the other hand, avoided antitrust problems by a joint incorporation agreement with Cummins under a Brazilian operation named Inquardo, Ltd.

(7) Eventually almost all Cummins manufacturing and design were moved over to that part of the "house". However, that move proved so efficient and profitable that Cummins began to eat into significant markets for Caterpillar, so Caterpillar merged its manufacturing and design base with Cummins in Brazil, leaving skeleton operations only in places like Peoria, Illinois. Cummins management largely pushed out Caterpillar management after several years.

( With me so far? Caterpillar owns Cummins, but Cummins has effectively "eaten" Caterpillar. In Brazil. Here, they're separate, of course, but it's only the purposes of adhering to American commercial law. But wait. There's more.

(9) Ford had some disasterous capitalization-and-flow problems after the overseas buying spree of the early nineties, during which it acquired British Leyland, Isuzu, Fuji, part of Fiat, and parts of other companies. Ford was forced to sell Isuzu to maintain cash flow beyond the U.S. Who did they sell Isuzu to? Navistar International. Along with certain manufacturing and sourcing arrangements. Navistar hoped to go global again, as in the grand old days of International Harvester.

(10) But Navistar couldn't hold on to Isuzu either, what with a $2 billion dollar loss in 1995, and eventually sold its controlling interest in the company to Daimler Benz.

(11) Isuzu was having its own problems, since its global market share in light and medium diesels was rapidly shrinking. The cause of the problem was Cummins, which, after swallowing Caterpillar - in Brazil - had also acquired NGT, Tapei Technologies, Allison Canada, and Nansen-Renault, all in hostile takeovers, all manufacturers of diesel technologies outside of the U.S. So, Cummins had effectively cornered the controlling share of the global market outside of North America and Western Europe. (Why do you think the splashgate at their website is so heavily global?)

(12) After nine months of negotiation, Cummins and its subsidiary, Allison Canada, entered into a joint development arrangement with Isuzu, owned by Daimler, and with the surviving U.S. corporation, Allison, which was at that point partly owned by GM. Cummins, however, dominated the partnership, and eventually managed to assume Daimler's and GM's interests in Isuzu and and Allison.

(13) In the case of Isuzu, Cummins has an equal partnership with Daimler, which, of course, has also acquired Chrysler Corporation. That's why, when Ford offered Cummins a billion-dollar package to manfacture medium and light truck diesels for its vehicles in 2001, Cummins said no. Again, for antitrust reasons, a public holding company was set up to handle Isuzu as a separate corporate entity. The name of the company is Benz Transporation Technologies, of San Paulo, Brazil. BTT also is a major owner of the Benz division of Daimler Chrysler, which manufacturers most of the diesel engines in Europe. In the case of Allison, Cummins controls it through a series of holding companies ending with Inquardo, Ltd., the orginal Caterpillar-Cummins creation in Brazil. Cummins also controls a fair-size block of stock in GM, through the ownership of a cartel of South Korean and Thai banks and investment groups.

(14) Navistar has continued its free-fall in spite of its partnership with Ford in the light-duty diesel area. Three weeks ago, after the implications of labor troubles, a rise in basic resource costs, and the disasterous introduction of the 6.0L PSD had become clear, Navistar's financial arrangements with Citibank and Manufacturers B&T collapsed. Both banks arranged to float the company infrastructural loans if it would agree to a merger with -- are you ready for this? -- Inquardo, Ltd. As of last Thursday, Cummins owns 67% of Navistar through Inquardo.

Right now, Cummins makes all diesels in all pickup trucks sold in the United States. Cummins makes 73% of all diesels in all trucks sold in the world. The board of directors at Inquardo -- which isn't listed on any stock exchange -- includes 9 Cummins execs, 2 Caterpillar execs, and one Wells Fargo Bank exec. The CEO and CFO are also Cummins vice presidents. And there are Cummins execs on the boards of Daimler Chrysler, General Motors, Toyota, and Honda America. Ford, the holdout, has not been doing very well.

So it isn't a question of who owns Cummins. It's a question of who Cummins owns, and who's next. Could be Ford. Could be DC. Could be both. Ford Viper, anyone? Mercedes Mustang with a 6.0L Shelby Diesel and a Holset twin turbo?

And some have claimed that the new Navistar/Ford 6.0L is Cummins' revenge for the Bosch VP44"

A long time ago this topic came up at my workplace. I went to the Cummins website. Back then, they addressed this problem in their FAQ. I printed it up, highlighted that part, and left it in the break room.

not this one.

Diesel Power March 2010 Postal Route (Letters to the Editor)
Gives the answer plain as day. :tu: I already used it once to prove my point.

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Thank you DIRTYMAX2004!!!!!!!!!!! I am so tired of people and the "Cummins was owned by ford"!

Informative, but a made-up story as well. It was done years ago as an April Fools joke, IIRC. At any rate most of it is completely false.

Google Inquardo, LTD and you'll see what I mean.

I too have had this conversation many times. It is always with a ford guy trying to rub something in my face. I never had any facts to go on till now. Thanks:c: and ha to all those who believe ford owns cummins:moon:

Actually.....you can get a Super Duty F250 with a Cummins, factory direct, from Ford Motor Company, and have been able to do so for many years.

If, that is, you live in Brazil. It's a 4 cylinder in case you're curious. Here is an actual screenshot of Ford's Brazil site for the non-believers:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...fordbrazil.jpg

^^ win :D

thats not a super duty. its a Cabine Dupla

sí señor, una cabine dupla súper deber....

:danny:

Salsa, Taco, Nachos, Burrito

Chimichanga, Chorizo, with a side of Pico de gallo and some Sangria.

A 4 door shortbed F250 with a factory Cummins diesel. Has the world spun backwards on its axis yet?

thats one the other side of the equator it dose not count :humm: i always like it when i was working at cummins and guys would try to pull that crap on me.

It's a big world out there grasshopper....it counts completely; when and if you ever get gainful employment, you'll understand just how close and connected everything is. :tttt:

Tunnel vision is a bad thing, especially in the diesel industry. Its a world market.

well, point proven in the deisel power post above..

In 1990, Schacht convinced Ford Motor Co., Tenneco Inc., and Kubota Ltd. to invest a combined total of $250 million in a 27 percent stake in Cummins. The CEO used the infusion of capital to pay down debt and expand European operations. When sales of long-haul trucks bounced back in the early 1990s, Cummins's long years of preparation paid off. In 1993, the company enjoyed its first annual profit since 1987. In 1994, after seeing the company through one of its most difficult periods, Schacht announced that he was stepping down as CEO. That year--Cummins's 75th in business--the company achieved record sales of $4.74 billion and, perhaps more important, record profits of $252.9 million. James A. Henderson succeeded Schacht as CEO, and Theodore M. Solso became president and chief operating officer. They inherited a company well-positioned to capture significant shares of the vital Japanese and European markets. Henderson became chairman and Solso became president in 1995.:argh:

Who the hell even started the "Ford owns Cummins" rumour anyways? or, how did it get started?

I HEAR THIS ALOT, I ALWAYS SAID IF FORD OWNED CUMMINS THEY WOULD BE STUPID NOT TO RUN THEM IN THEIR TRUCKS

im kinda curious also.. Isnt Cummins a publicly owned company anyways? so like if you bought a share of cummins you would own a certian percentage?. idk. Like i got some shares of Caterpiller so i guess that means i own caterpiller :w2:..Ford owns a share of cummins?? ..heck i dont know im just ramblin