Diesel conversion for a 1970s GMC RV
Hey folks,
First time poster here, long time forum member at the VW TDI club forums. They can't help me with this one though. =) I'm totally obsessed with the mid-70s GMC RVs. The only fatal flaw is that they never came in diesel! I know, right? GMC motorhome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia They seem to be loosely based on the Oldsmobile Toronado chassis and use the Toronado/Eldorado Turbohydramatic 425 automatic transmission. Would it be possible to drop a Cummins turbo diesel into this rig? What exactly would that take to install? If not a Cummins then what else? I am fond of the TDI motors but stock HP on the GMC RV looks like it was around 150+ and my TDI puts out only 90. =) I do have a Chevy PD van with an detroit diesel V8 but I think it's crap. =) |
Keep in mind the Olds 455s put out over 400ft/lbs. Some careful measuring will be needed, the 4BT cummins is a fairly long motor (~31" long overall).
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Is the a handy reference chart somewhere for Cummins motors and their sizes?
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The 6BT is 36" long... plus whatever you add on for adapter or flywheel housing.
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"adapter or flywheel housing."
It seems like there's a number of stock adaptors. Is there a list anywhere of adaptors and housings? Otherwise... does it sound like I will be fabricating my own for this RV? |
I am aware of adapters for Chevy, smallblock Ford, whatever Dodge used, and SAE types (i.e. round from medium-duty trucks).
One of my previous employers had a motorhome like yours. I have a pretty good memory of how they're put together. Basically the torsion-bar setup from the '70's Toro/Eldo platform. I would stick with a GM engine for size, weight, and not destroying the drive system. Chevy engines can be adapted to the Olds pattern with a simple steel plate (4 of the 6 holes are the same). A turbo 6.2/6.5 diesel should do okay with the 3.07 final drive. If you really want to Cummins it, you could run a 4wd trans and t-case with a Dana 60 front axle. Some aftermarket companies build these for some bus and box truck applications where a low floor is desired. Just thinking outside the box ;) Cab Chassis | |
u2slow, thanks for the info. I like your thinking outside the box, that's an interesting tangent, that maybe the trans can be replaced as well.
I own a 1993 NA 6.2 in a Chevy P30 van and I can't say I'm very impressed. It does not seem nearly as well-engineered as my 1996 TDI for instance. I've never owned a Cummins but I hear they are bomb-proof in terms of reliability and power-to-weight. Is this just a myth? Is the turbo 6.2 really comparable to a Cummins? I feel confident I could handle a conversion if it's a matter of buying available adaptors. I'm not sure how up I am for fabbing my own adaptor plates. Engine mounts I can manage, maybe. =) Fabbing though is a whole new world to me. |
A 6.2/6.5 doesn't hold a candle to a 6BT. I'm really only suggesting it as a means of keeping the Toro/Eldo suspension & drivetrain intact.
If I was intent on a Cummins fwd situation, I would probably use a Dana 60 (spring-under & airbags?), trans of your choice (think OD trans), and a NP205. ---AutoMerged DoublePost--- I remembered there's CV-jointed axles for the Dana 60 available from a company called RCV. |
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