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kylek 12-02-2012 11:14 PM

6.5 help
 
ok it all started when the truck started to die if i left it sit, so i thought it was air in the lines and i tried to bleed it, it had in them and i thought it fixed the problem, now i take it down the street and it sputters as im driving it and wont go over 30 most of the time. so i bring it back to the garage and crack the bleeder valve and theres air in them again. how is this happening????, did i bleed them wrong or something, or could the fuel filter be the issue? it had a new pdm about a year ago, the lift pump works fine, i checked it by hot wiring it. the pdm has been relocated also. i can sit at an idle and it runs great , until i got to drive it. please help me figure out whats wrong. thanks. :argh::dang::humm:

ebarresi5894 12-03-2012 06:30 AM

sounds like you have a bad/rotted fuel line. look at the lines coming out of the sender. there will be a steel crimp that goes to a steel line, 90% of the time that is leaking.

check your fuel filter housing as well, that could be cracked

kylek 12-03-2012 11:25 AM

whats the sender where is it located? and thanks for your help

ebarresi5894 12-03-2012 01:19 PM

the sender is in the tank, and the lines come out form the top of the fuel tank

kylek 12-03-2012 06:36 PM

so i have to drop the tank to look at them

ebarresi5894 12-04-2012 07:02 AM

nope, just follow the line from the lift pump that goes toward the rear of the truck and follow it all the way up, the return line should be next to it and you can see wether or not if its leaking

racer55 12-04-2012 10:37 AM

It is tough to find a leak on the suction side of a fuel line because it is not under pressure to force fuel out.If it is at a lower portion of the line it may leak at shutdown when fuel is laying in the line though.

First thing to try to be sure air in the lines is the problem is to replace the IP fuel return line with clear diesel rated line.
Then with the truck safely parked,watch the line for bubbles while the engine idles.

Bubbles indicate air intrusion between the fuel level in the tank and the LP.

Another source for air to get in and cause hard starts is the WIF sensor and fuel heater O-rings in the filter manager.

There could be a plugged last ditch screen in the filter manager,a bad fuel cap with plugged vent or blocked IP inlet screens?

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On a 95 the LP is powered by the OPS when the engine runs,you know it works with direct power-do you know if it works with OPS power?

With the engine idling open the WIF T-valve and observe what happens-truck dies,LP not operating-diagnose.

kylek 12-06-2012 09:41 PM

if i open the t valve its a lil fuel comes out then truck dies?? is that supposed to??

racer55 12-07-2012 04:20 AM

That is telling you that the lift pump is not working.

You now have to figure out why?
Is is the LP itself that is bad or is the OPS bad and not powering the LP?

OPS is a common problem and should be replaced with AC Delco ONLY.
An additional update/repair that can be added is "OPS relay mod"-google it for long term reliability.

If the LP is to be replaced with a stock type LP,then AC Delco ONLY and from a 93 is the best choice.

Airtex or FASS are much more expensive LP options.

kylek 12-07-2012 04:50 AM

i never here the lift pump run if i get under the truck and its runing it feels like the lp has a hartbeat and if i hook a wire to the lp relay fuel comes out of the bleeder and i can here the lp run but thats the only it ill here it the truck runs fine to i take it do the road the it starts messing up when im seting a light old presser drops to like 20 but when im runing it stays about 30 40 as soon as i let off back down to 20 :s:

racer55 12-07-2012 04:58 AM

The OPS has 2 circuits,one for the gauge and 1 for the LP.

The LP circuit burns out because it was under built so that is the reason for the OPS relay mod.
Once you replace the OPS with an AC Delco OPS and do the OPS relay mod you will likely never need another OPS again.

Kennedy Diesel also sells an OPS relay mod kit if DIY is not for you.

Turbine Doc 12-08-2012 05:34 PM

Try some more diagnostics 1st Lift Pumps & OPS operation and troubleshooting

kylek 12-09-2012 12:11 AM

ok im leaking fule out of bellhouseing where is it comeing from??

racer55 12-09-2012 08:53 AM

There are 3 fuel lines connected to the filter manager housing and 3 O-rings contained within it-all can cause fuel to drain from the bell housing.

The water in fuel drain hose that goes forward under the intake to the T-valve can leak.
The IP feed line that goes under the intake can leak.
The fuel line from the LP can leak.

The fuel heater O ring can leak and often causes hard starts after the truck sits.
The water in fuel sensor O ring can leak causing the same problem.

The filter O ring can also be a problem-the original style filters can only be installed 1 way,they clock into the filter housing on the teeth of the housing.
If not properly installed you will get a leak because it won't tighten down.

The newer integral filter/cap style do not have this problem but several people have reported trouble getting them to seal properly.


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