Got To Thinking About These New Hydrogen Powered Cars....
 

they claim that these cars produce nothing but water as a byproduct. no harmfull emissions..... well i was thinking how is this gonna work in the very cold area's of the world? i mean to me it sounds too simple but if it emits water, and it gets sub-freezing, then what is gonna happen to the water as it's running out of the car? or if it sits and idles and builds up some water in the exhaust pipe, will it freeze solid and bust the exhaust? or what about a safety hazzard when it's below 0* and it's spurtin water on the highways or roads and leaving spots of ice...... i dono i'm kind of skeptal about it all.... just some of the hairbrained things i think about during the day while i'm driving.....

They'll leave water on the road.

The municipalities will add more salt to combat the ice.

The cars will rust out even faster due to the added salt.

We'll all buy new cars twice as often as we used to.

See, everybody wins....

Since the inception of the catalytic converter we have had water running out of the exhaust so its not an issue. The engine heat transmitted through the exhaust keep the water warm enough not to freeze until it exits.

To add to it, one thing that the manufacturers aren't telling everyone is that they create 32% more pollutants to the earth in the manufacturing process of hybrids than a conventional internal combustion hydrocarbon burning vehicle. SO where is the logic behind the EPA's claims?

its not like a running garden hose or anything...cup of water per 1000kms or so...



I have this vision in my head from your post of a Zamboni running down the hiway...lol

lol Then we could all use the freeways as a giant hockey rink. :)

Keep your stick on the ice boys.....lol

yeah the lead mines producing the lead for all those batteries they are using hurt the enviroment 10x's more than any pollutant a vehicle produces.....

not tryin' to tick anyone off but if it expells water as exhaust then there is gonna be a bend in the up position that will create a "low" spot in the system. that lowspot would seem to me like a trap on a sink. then when the vehicle would stop for the night wouldn't all that water freeze?

Exhaust pressure is built up on stock restrictive exhaust systems and will push it out. Whatever remains will be evaporated by the exhaust temperature.

who wants to drive a hydrogen bomb around anyway

There is actually no lead in the hybrid car batteries. They are lithium-ion. Lithium-ion batteries are highly explosive when exposed to water.

Exactly. So now you have two bombs to deal with. :w:

They actually expel less water than most unleaded gas engines...I think you have a preconceived notion that these cars would look like a jet-ski runnin down the hiway....

We are talking very small amounts of water, not a gush...

i was just thinking out loud.... you'd be suprised what you think of when you drive 700 miles in a day.... work the next and then drive back 700 miles.... i have to do something to keep me from going completely insane..... i mean there are alot of what if's that noone will know until they hit the mainstream....

i know how ya feel Ben.....i used to do that on my 120 mile drive to and from college........

There are actually quite a few of them on the road right now....mostly in a prototype stage, but lots of info about them...Some like the Honda will become production as early as next year IIRC

did some reading and there is 2 types of hydrogen vehicles.

In combustion, the hydrogen is burned in engines in fundamentally the same method as traditional gasoline cars.

In fuel-cell conversion, the hydrogen is reacted with oxygen to produce water and electricity, the latter of which is used to power an electric traction motor.

so does the fuel cell conversion create heat? if not then my ideeers might still be valid.

My understanding is that some heat is produced....

ANYTIME you use ANY method whether it be mechanical, chemical, nuclear, or elctro-motive you generate heat. There is no known method to man of generating energy without creating heat. Hydrogen powered and fuel cell powered vehicles have the same issue but on a bigger level. Anytime you invovle hydrogen and oxygen you create a massive amount of heat without a natural catalyst to counter-act it. Not to mention the point we were making earlier that anytime you contain hydrogen you create a rolling bomb. Add the explosiveness of lithium-ion when combined with water and oxygen and you are now rolling down the road with enough explosive force to create a small crater as well as take out about 20 cars within the surrounding area. Add another point that it takes 32% more pollutants in the earth to manufacter hybrids and there is no positive reason to build or drive hybrids except that the EPA and manufacturers stand to get rich.

ding...ding...ding, we have a winner

this all reminds me of the article about a hybrid being more polluting than a hummer when you include all the production materials and mileage and all...

Not to mention Carbon Dioxide is the by product when you make Hydrogen.

Exactly. We just need to convince the world to drive diesel trucks and we'll all be happy and sooty. :up:

I like carbon dioxide. It makes the trees grow big and strong so that I can hug 'em.

I KNEW IT...I KNEW Sam was an EPA spy. :ph: Give me the keys to your truck right now. You have no business driving that thing. :bat: