The voting age needs to be 40 and up
 

I was talking to a young man at the watering hole night and seems like a nice guy till he told me he didn't know why Christian conservatives are putting down obama when he just trying to help everyone out, like the health care he said.

I than asked him if he knew how well the government runs programs, asked him if he heard of the TSA the newest program to help us, he said yea I was pissed at the story of a 8 year old who was first checked at 2 for his name being on a watch list.

I said you want people like this running your health care????

At least he left thinking about it anyway. who knows he might give up being on the left one day, like he was bragging about went we starting talking, but he didn't have to tell me, when asked my political leaning I said conservative and then he asked are you a Christian, bing, I knew he was a liberal, but he did talk and not rant so there hope anyway.

So you don't think I should be allowed to vote, huh?


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Do you know what I think? I think that before you're allowed to vote, you should have to present at least three pieces of poorly-thought out, inaccurate populist glurge emails printed out of your in-box. What do you think of that? :tttt:

begle Mr Obama had an unprecedented level of support among young people and new voters in the 2008 election.

He won the votes of those under 30 by an impressive 66% to 31%, much higher than in any previous election.

thats why herb says what he says:humm:

and that includes me, hell I voted for Jimmy Carter, I leaned toward the left in some areas, but after seeing where that got me, a country full of illegals and our way of life going down hill fast, it would have been better if I hadn't voted for the easy way out of the problems and paid a lot more attention to what they were really doing to us in the long run.

Took a lot of growing and getting my head slammed more than once by the people I helped put in office, and I still have to hear of what crazy stuff Jimmy Carter is doing. now.

and of course the government won't mind passing an idiotic health care bill since they themselves are excluded from it. :argh:

Can you guys define what is idiotic about the proposed health care system, why the current health care system is perfect, and why every other world power but us has adopted socialist health care?

I've read 8-10 books on the subject along with writing a 10 page (ALOT for me) paper about it. In doing so, its actually converted me to a more pro health care reform voter. It might hurt my future occupations salary some, but it has the prospect of being much better for the country as a whole. :w2:

I agree some kids are just plain stupid when it comes to politics and the ways of the world. The ones that work at mcdonalds and their parents havent worked a day in their life. Im only 20 but i work hard at some very conservitive jobs (guiding hunters and raising cattle). When i was in high school my senior year was when they were deciding who was running and just listining to what some kids said made me sick. But there are some kids that know more. Us youngins arnt as bad as you think. :tu:

1st when the rest of the world gets sick they run to the USA and pay for treatment, they should be fighting it more than we are, where are they going to go for quick health care when we become like them.

Get the government and lawyers out of the insurance and the health care and the price go back down.

2nd name me one government run program thats works, the TSA has been searching a kid since he been 2 years old because he has the same name as some one one the watch list and you want those people like this running your health care.

I sorry sir your name is on the list as a heroin user so were are refusing any health care for you.

I grew up in the Air Force as my Dad was in for 22 years, now we just medical wasn't the best, wasn't the worst, but it was different from what treatment the town people got, we got every thing required but a lot stopped at that.


Same thing when I was in the Seabee's, I went to sick call and would see a pecker checker not a Doc till after a few visits with the same problem, you get care, just may take a while.

After I got out I went to the VA for a infection on my foot that started while I was getting out, the Dr at the VA said I had VD on my foot, I said Dr I never had where you usually get it and don't know about your love life but I use something a little farther off the floor.

So any way he gives a few different things over a few weeks and making it worse after a month of my foot about to itch off, He sent me to New Orleans to a Dermatologist, he walked in the room laughing reading my file and said let see the VD, laughed again and said that's simple and threw a script over his shoulder as he laughed his was back out, filled the scrip and used it and all was good and it healed in three days.

Only had to suffer with it for 30 days and then drive 2 and a half hours each way to get it fixed, so you tell me what would be wrong with all the free health care, you young ones will be paying for longer than I will.

Has anyone thought of health vare in 20-30 yrs.? Im 18 and my biggest fear in my country is medicare. in this 20-30 yr. time frame 100% of the federal budget will be consumed by medicare alone. Who should pay for this? Is it the baby boomers that will need the care in 20 yrs. responsible to pay for this or will it be my responsiblity to pay? I know more taxes suck but taxes will help pay for this down the road. It alone will not take care of the problem but it will help. I hate this politics bullshit but something needs to be done. At least something i said you can agree with right?

first of herb screw you, My right to vote is a sacred thing that even though some may squander and waste i hold dear to me. but i do understand where your comeing from most young people dont care about all the facts and want every one else to do every thing for them. i did not vote for this current leader ship and they will feel the wrath of my one vote next time as well. i think a small government is a god government but if every one agreed then life would be waaay to boring

Another youngn here, 21, but I believe that more gov't is never the answer. I think the main problem can be traced to over-protective parent's (mainly mothers), that shelter their kids from reality and then when they are forced into reality, they're screwed. As long as I can remember if I wanted something then I had to find a way to get it myself, my parents provided everything I needed along with probably more than what deserved for things that I wanted, but this has made me appriciate the things I have more, and given me a desire to work my ass off so I can have more of what I want, and god willing, if I am able to get married and have a family of my own someday I can provide everything that they need, but not everything they want. They need to stop showing all of the political opinions of the celebrities, because as you can see at any checkout line in the country, they have really showed how good they are at making good decisons!, because you have all of these stupid city kids who think of these people as all-knowing gods, see this crap and think it's how they should act. Fix it all by finding a way to get Ted Nugent into office, if you think thats a bad idea just read some of his books before you make up your mind. And just quite worrying about what other countries think of us, we are supposed to be the biggest baddest boys on the block so we should start acting like it! "Speak softly and carry a big stick" Teddy Rosevelt. We don't need to intentionally offend them, but we should take absolutely no shit from anyone! We are AMERICA, that's how we are supposed to be.

Hey I might be illegal in some states :danny:....


i think ill shut up now before the fbi starts to watch me :scare:

I think we have proven that age really has no bearing on ones mental faculties. One only has to look at all the erroneous emails that get sent around by older people to realize cluelessness, and dishonesty, is not restricted to any particular age group.

Afterall, BO is over 40 and most of the words I've heard you use to describe him and his policies are synonymous with cluelessness and stupidity. There is a slight flaw in your lack of reasoning here.

But as always, The price of Tea in China is still the same no matter how often you inform us of the vast amounts of wisdom you have from all your varied experiences.

I personally link the downfall of America to the last few generations' belief that retirement was a right that they should be entitled to.


Blaming youth for the election of Obama is about as logical as blaming blacks, Jews, people with liberal arts degrees or women.

Our generation did most of the inventions you all are using now, we had none of the stuff you grew up with.

Your generation is good at game boy, what a future you will have, but you still pay the bills so enjoy it, so put free health care out there, we get to use it more than you will before it goes broke and you get to pay for it all LOL

Your parents had nothing you grew up with. and they invented most of the stuff you had then. Then as we will invent most of the things the next generation will use. Its kind of the way of the world kiddo. You know the thing called progress? It happens regardless of your personal opinion on how effective it is.

But since I'm such a nice guy, I thank your generation for the things they have given us. Make you feel better?

On the whole however, You seem to be adept at making useless points.


Very true. I guess that makes you the same blood sucking parasite as the third generation welfare receiver.

You seem to think that just because we disagree with you about any one particular point that we are everything you dislike.

I would say that you and the young man in your little parable have a lot in common.

(We are AMERICA, that's how we are supposed to be.)


(Fix it all by finding a way to get Ted Nugent into office)
Good points:tu:

And the average age of the Federal Congressman is?


My generation has another 20 years before we're in charge. We're the first generation in America's history to develop not while looking at a future of unlimited opportunity, but while getting a good look at our country's post-industrial climax and imminent populist/socialist top-down lapse into mediocrity. The options left to my generation will let us choose between an America that looks like today's France or an America that looks like today's Germany; the last 60 years' blind march into an unholy Chimerican alliance is possibly the most short-sighted generational zeitgeist in political history. Instead of expanding our country's sphere to include Mexico and Canada like you guys should have, you unwittingly expanded it to include China instead; now we are socially, economically and increasingly politically dependent on the world's largest (and only) Communism of note (good job winning the Cold War by the way...), and somehow you sucked the entire world into the maddeningly blind unsustainability as well.

Massive debt? Federal government bloated to the point of super-critical inefficiency? State governments subjagated to the point of irrelevance? A culture of apathy? College degrees based in four years of wasted money and life? An inherent entitlement to government-sponsored retirement 20 years before you die? Well done baby boomers, well done.

What have you invented? Widely-available silicon-based electronics? The Internet? Healthcare to keep you geezers alive for an average of an additional 10-years' sponsored retirement? The only astounding thing you've invented is the arrogance required to think that your (unavoidable) technological achievements somehow make-up for your complete social and political failings. Your generation hasn't even been to the moon; your parents went to the moon. America hasn't been able to look at the future with well-rooted optimism since JFK was shot; your generation didn't realize that until it was too late.

What was your generation doing at age 18-20? You are comparing your generations accomplishments as of today versus the younger generations as of today. I hate to inform you, but it is your generation that has put our country into the debt it is currently in. Your generation is currently in office, so essentially, it is only your generation that is to blame.

Are you telling us the Europeans come to the states looking for medical treatment?

Lawyers constantly being involved in the medical field is one more reason I would rather have the government more involved in health care. Your generation is very sue happy, and "malpractice" is a term used more often then it should in court. Doctors are humans. They try their hardest, have far more training then most other professions, and yet are still having to constantly watch their back.

When you made mistakes in the military, did you stand to lose everything you worked for every time you were given another task? People wonder why a 45 year old doctor looks like they already have one foot in the grave..... Stress kills

O well, this is like taking a whiz into the wind.... I'm back to the tech sections :D

Keep telling your self it's all Bush's fault and you can even blame it on us, why because we had our head up our asses thinking they were doing what was best of us, till we now see the truth, your screwed and we didn't stop it when we could have, because we were thinking like you are now.

But I pray for the best for all. were all going to need it, no mater who's the blame.

Thats what i'm hearing from alot of democrats all the time.(It's bushes fault).They can't accept the blame for what they are doing.

Sadly, no one will take the blame. Everyone has reasons for doing what they've done. Its mother nature to pin it on someone else.

Well said

Also, in our Philosophy class, a good idea was actually brought up about this subject. Never trust someone seeking power, as they are not seeking it to help you, or the good of the people. Seek a philosopher king. Someone who does not seek power, but will accept the position reluctantly. This will ensure a more unbiased opinion on subjects, and will bring someone in who will actually think something out more then just a step or two in advance (If that!).

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