Hydrogen Peroxide injection?? for more oxygen for fuel to burn
 

Has anyone considered using Hydrogen Peroxide injection for more power?

The MSDS lists "DANGER! STRONG OXIDIZER", that means more oxyen for your fuel. It also says it "Increases the flammability of combustible, organic and readily oxidizable materials." Diesel fuel is an organic material, so could be a formula for more power.

Thoughts?

it's cheap enough i would like to know but also :pca1:

The 3-5% stuff that is sold over the counter will probably not make much of a difference. You will probably need to try 30-90% H2O2. If anyone considers trying this, be very careful. The stronger H2O2 will require personel protective gear to handle safely and my require system mods so it does not damage parts not designed for it.

Mix some in a container of fuel, lite it, and see what happens. :pca1:

there was a guy in town doin it and the smoke would turn from black to pure white when he'd inject it lol he said it made a difference but its nothing im gonna experiment with my truck

i knew a guy that used it on pulling tractors said they ran it pre turbo,

Write that story to those Mythbusters- let them check out.:s:

What he said ^^^^. Peroxides are very dangerous to work with in high concentrations. Some of the most well known explosions in the news are stemmed from peroxides either as a primary or a secondary charge. Peroxides are also very shock sensitive which makes them even the more dangerous to transport. But then again, anything will work if used properly and cautiously.

I To would love to see Mythbusters Test this out.:rocking:

think they use in rocket engines.. prob would melt down our engines...

just a thought but...

since nitrogen and oxygen have similar electronegativity, it seems it would be easier to break the bond and create o2 for combustion than h2o2 with hydrogen bonds, right?

Did a little research:
During WWII the germans used the so called: T- Stoff and K-Stoff to propell the Me 163, the first rocket propelled jet engine.

T and K Stoff as known as H2O2 and sulphur acid are extremly dangerous to handle, each one sepeperated is easily to wash away with water- the combination of both a very dangerous acid which burns nearly through everything real quick.
80 % of all planes exploded with the maintaining crew...

I don't know, if it is a good idea to use H2O2?:humm:


Pure O² reacts with nearly everything- that means aluminum pistons will melt quickly.
Thats the reason they use NOS: to decrease the amount of O² and to have a cooling gas to avoid overheating.
By the the way, can you guess who has invented the NOS thing?
Jepp, it was called Stickoxydul in WWII...

well nos does cool the charge.. but there still o2 in there that helps combustion.. thats why on a gas motor you have to inject extra fuel other wise the motor will lean out an burn up.. no prob. on a diesel.. only prob could be injecting to much.. you will put the flame out on a diesel...

Ummm, Nitrous provides EXTRA O2 to the combustion cycle. Where are you getting your info?

Biggest prob i would see is that due to the extra oxidation of the burn cycle is the extra heat that you will produce...example is oxy-acetylene....with just the acetylene you get a hot flame lots of soot and a low temp...add oxy to it and the burn goes to clean but the heat jumps tremendously.
I think this would also be the case of injecting peroxide int the combustion chambers of our diesels. Just food for thought.

Thats why Nitrous is so good, the nitrogen in the chemical makeup cools the air charge, while the oxygen helps fully combust the fuel in the chamber, adding to the cylinder pressure, thus more power.

Additional food for thought is this...as Fire/Rescue we we always taught the if there were an accident involving the spill of and product containing peroxide or any derivitive of peroxide and any possibility of a fuel spill at the same instance we were to back off atleast 1/2 mile and keep all people away from the scene since fuel and peroxide will create a exothermic reaction on its own creating a possible explosion and fire.

sounds cool:w2:

LOL...trust me its real fun! Saw an exothermic reaction one time with a 55 gallon drum of iron oxide and a little bit of water....fireworks during the 4th of July didnt hold a candle to it! pretty sure a little magnesium was involved also. damn drum burnt for almost 40 minutes...was way cool!:tu::jump::jump::tu:

Iron oxide and water won't do
Magnesium and water.... Well then you have an interesting makeup... If it was a magnesium oxide I'm pretty sure it will turn into Acetelyne gas and self ignite.

Thermite is still my favorite.... Looking to make some Methyl borate soon as well and see how that burns.


Oh and peroxide yields a 1:2 O2: h20 ratio nox is a better receipe IMO because it comes out of the bottle subzero and helps make the air dense. I would stick with Methanol/water and nos. Maybe a bit of propane but if you're going to do that why not just hook up a bottle of Oxygen and inject pure methanol and see what happens

Half a mile safety distance???
Heck, a missile gets a mile safety distance.

For that reason H²O² seems to be pretty dangerous?

Naah, no H²O² in my Jeep..:nope:

LOL....All i know is that the tuck had placards for magnesium on it and one barrell that was not involved was full of iron oxide powder or so it said on its side.....was cool to watch burn tho!

Hy Death- you like to play with fire, eh?:pca1:

LOL...I would make a great pyro except i'm to afraid of getting caught! But yeah my wife and myself are both volunteer fire/rescue in rural utah. We love putting the wet stuff on the red stuff!:tu:

All I know is never mix Muriatic Acid and Bleach , found that one out the hard way :puke:

man have you ever watched a hydrogen peroxide car go down the track they banned them that stuff is nuts

Wow, way to make mustard gas.


I love burning stuff up but its not always legal....


I'll have to look up h202 cars..

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Explosive vapors. Above roughly 70% concentrations, hydrogen peroxide can give off vapor that can detonate above 70 °C (158 °F) at normal atmospheric pressure.[citation needed] This can then cause a boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion (BLEVE) of the remaining liquid. Distillation of hydrogen peroxide at normal pressures is thus highly dangerous.

Hazardous reactions. Hydrogen peroxide vapors can form sensitive contact explosives with hydrocarbons such as greases. Hazardous reactions ranging from ignition to explosion have been reported with alcohols, ketones, carboxylic acids (particularly acetic acid), amines and phosphorus.[citation needed]

Spontaneous ignition. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide, if spilled on clothing (or other flammable materials), will preferentially evaporate water until the concentration reaches sufficient strength, at which point the material may spontaneously ignite.[38][39]

Corrosive. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide (>50%) is corrosive, and even domestic-strength solutions can cause irritation to the eyes, mucous membranes and skin.[40] Swallowing hydrogen peroxide solutions is particularly dangerous, as decomposition in the stomach releases large quantities of gas (10 times the volume of a 3% solution) leading to internal bleeding. Inhaling over 10% can cause severe pulmonary irritation.[citation needed]

Bleach agent. Low concentrations of hydrogen peroxide, on the order of 3% or less, will chemically bleach many types of clothing to a pinkish hue. Caution should be exercised when using common products that may contain hydrogen peroxide, such as facial cleaner or contact lens solution, which easily splatter upon other surfaces.

In vehicle racing, nitrous oxide (often referred to as just "nitrous" or as NOS after the name of the brand Nitrous Oxide Systems) allows the engine to burn more fuel and air, resulting in a more powerful combustion. The gas itself is not flammable, but it delivers more oxygen than atmospheric air by breaking down at elevated temperatures.

Nitrous oxide is stored as a compressed liquid; the evaporation and expansion of liquid nitrous oxide in the intake manifold causes a large drop in intake charge temperature, resulting in a denser charge, further allowing more air/fuel mixture to enter the cylinder. Nitrous oxide is sometimes injected into (or prior to) the intake manifold, whereas other systems directly inject right before the cylinder (direct port injection) to increase power.

has anybody tried running h202 in their truck???

you can buy up to 50% peroxide, but 10-15% should be enough. you can inject it in two places, manifold or direct. peroxide will breakdown to o2 and water on its own but is accelerated as temperature rises. in a diesel this would happen very quickly in the cylinder. the added o2 will help combustion, but the water will increase cylinder pressure (see steam engine)

sounds like fun. Now I just need a pile of cash and a truck to try it in.:w2:

on a side note, i read hydrogen peroxide is bad for cut because it kills the bacteria, but also damages the area around it.