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85_305 07-14-2011 10:07 AM

Is there any way to spin more rpm's on our 7.3's (and is it worth it?)
 
I know with the 12v cummins you can buy governor spring kits which will allow you to spin the motor from 3,000rpms to 4,000rpms, depending on which kit you buy. The stock 12v starts defueling at like 1800rpms and the automatics shift at 2200rpms... but with a larger gsk it allows them to fuel all the way up to 3k, 4k, even 5k.

Is there a way to spin the 7.3 out higher? And is it worth it (power wise) on these trucks?

Matt

joebob3093 07-14-2011 12:27 PM

Re: Is there any way to spin more rpm's on our 7.3's (and is it worth it?)
 
Get a chip and have them take the governor off.

85_305 07-14-2011 02:53 PM

I like the governor... it's a beautiful safety net.. the GSK is still a governor, it just governs the RPM's to a higher speed. Is there any performance to be had in a higher-spinning 7.3 though?

MossBack 07-21-2011 09:47 PM

Re: Is there any way to spin more rpm's on our 7.3's (and is it worth it?)
 
Yea the real quick dump all ur oil through the hole in the block kind of performance. Lol
Most common diesels have a effective range where the amount of fuel, injector duration and timing can compress into power.

Anything much past 3 k on a stock motor is just waisting fuel decreasing engine life and robbing power. I will admit it is cool but leave it to the Cummins guys to blow stuff up.



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Red_Rattler 07-21-2011 10:30 PM

blow what up? :D

Seems like hes doing a good job


85_305 07-21-2011 10:31 PM

Ya I got a really in-depth explanation over at the ORG on this. Basically the heads, cam, and heui are limiting these motors stock, but 4k rpms is doable with stock components.

MossBack 07-22-2011 05:23 AM

Re: Is there any way to spin more rpm's on our 7.3's (and is it worth it?)
 

Originally Posted by Red_Rattler (Post 776961)
blow what up? :D

Seems like hes doing a good job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv_FeoXitj8

I sure hope someone close to this person let him know how pathetic his truck looks with those tailpipe stacks. I'm not convinced by some idiot overreving his engine that it works good for making power.

Lame find.

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PHPDiesel 07-22-2011 07:58 AM

The ONLY thing that makes spinning the 7.3L NOT worth it is the HEUI injection system.

Sure, you can get a stock-injectored 7.3L to spin 5000 RPM but it will have ZERO power at that point. Power is fuel delivered over time; and TIME is something that the 7.3L injector does very inefficiently.


Oh, and as far as Frank's 7.3L in the video, it's been said time and time again that his reason for having those is SIMPLY for competition purposes (sled pulling/drag racing) to keep the smoke from "fogging" the lights and drowning the people in the stands.

MossBack 07-22-2011 08:22 AM

Re: Is there any way to spin more rpm's on our 7.3's (and is it worth it?)
 
Ic most people do stacks in the bed not beside. Sorry if I affended any one by what I noticed as ODD

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Red_Rattler 07-22-2011 10:37 AM

Lame find?! I was laughing my butt off at this creation :D I posted it as a "watch him try to blow this thing up" vid

MossBack 07-22-2011 10:44 AM

Re: Is there any way to spin more rpm's on our 7.3's (and is it worth it?)
 

Originally Posted by Red_Rattler (Post 777071)
Lame find?! I was laughing my butt off at this creation :D I posted it as a "watch him try to blow this thing up" vid

Ok yea I c how that was mentioned now. I thought u were backing up the claim that 5k was good or something.



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85_305 07-22-2011 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Red_Rattler (Post 776961)
blow what up? :D

Seems like hes doing a good job

‪Frank 7.3 Powerstroke 5,000 rpm rev smoke.‬‏ - YouTube

That sounds pretty neat turning 5k




Originally Posted by PHPDiesel (Post 777037)
The ONLY thing that makes spinning the 7.3L NOT worth it is the HEUI injection system.

Sure, you can get a stock-injectored 7.3L to spin 5000 RPM but it will have ZERO power at that point. Power is fuel delivered over time; and TIME is something that the 7.3L injector does very inefficiently.


Oh, and as far as Frank's 7.3L in the video, it's been said time and time again that his reason for having those is SIMPLY for competition purposes (sled pulling/drag racing) to keep the smoke from "fogging" the lights and drowning the people in the stands.


Is there a way to hop up the heui? Such as a better hpop (and lpop?), x-overs etc? How do you decrease the timing of the injectors?

PHPDiesel 07-22-2011 12:39 PM

Injectors that can put out more fuel in less time is the only way.

There is a very small window of opportunity to inject the fuel and the electronics have a specific amount of time to do it (less time as RPM increases). Take into account the relatively large "lag" time between the commanded start of injection and the time it actually takes for the injector to "open" and you have a recipe for a huge lack of high-RPM power production.

Chris Guthro 08-15-2011 06:17 AM

Man that ford has a unique sound!

fordornothing 09-12-2011 07:53 PM

it kinda sounded like a ricer. IMO. i cannot recall where i found it. (some ones website) but it was a mechanical injection pump for the 7.3 power stroke. it sat where the hpop would be. but they didn't have very much info on it. i'll see if i can find it again.

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either that or it was one hell of a hpop.

powerstroke74 01-02-2012 10:44 PM

My buddy showed me a commonrail kit for a 7.3 might be able to do it with that. But trying to push higher rpm's is asking for trouble I.M.O.

85_305 01-03-2012 05:21 PM

I think I've heard of that common rail kit... isn't it like $5,000? lol

Red_Rattler 01-03-2012 07:10 PM

i bet its A LOT more then that...

85_305 01-03-2012 07:15 PM

Or was the kit $25,000? I cant remember now but I recall there being a thread on it. It was something ridiculous that made you want to just go buy a NEW common rail psd, instead of retrofitting the 7.3

fordornothing 01-03-2012 07:35 PM

but is spending that much just so you can spin it faster and blow your rods further away worth it?

85_305 01-03-2012 07:57 PM

You dont upgrade the fueling system to spin a motor higher.. there's far greater advantages to it. And generally diesels can be spun much higher than stock, you just have to upgrade fueling.

fordornothing 01-04-2012 07:42 PM

ok. then more power? but diesels have more torque at lower RPM's,

joebob3093 01-05-2012 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by fordornothing (Post 838803)
ok. then more power? but diesels have more torque at lower RPM's,

Depends on what engine.


Spinning more rpm would increase the hp and get you down the track faster but the torque is what gets you off the line.

85_305 01-05-2012 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by fordornothing (Post 838803)
ok. then more power? but diesels have more torque at lower RPM's,

See below


Originally Posted by joebob3093 (Post 838917)
Depends on what engine.


Spinning more rpm would increase the hp and get you down the track faster but the torque is what gets you off the line.

Yes.



Rpm=power, I dont care how you look at it. Thats why hondas can produce such hi hp numbers at 7, 8, 9k rpms+... because you wind them out and they have no choice but to produce power. (We wont get into a torque discussion with them hehe)

A diesel, such as a v8 powerstroke, is designed (and capable...) of revving much higher, and therefore producing greater hp/tq numbers at higher rpms. Inline motors, like the cummins, typically dont like revving too much. They produce more power down low naturally, but again, increasing rpm's in them increases hp/torque.

fordornothing 01-16-2012 06:28 PM

i agree to a point. my pickup has the best power under 2700 RPM. after that it's a dog.

Seydler3 01-16-2012 07:08 PM

Here's a 6.4 at 5200. But they're not HEUI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4JXbhSvF-U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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85_305 01-17-2012 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by fordornothing (Post 844315)
i agree to a point. my pickup has the best power under 2700 RPM. after that it's a dog.

Right.. with stock heui system, hpop, and fuel right? Upgrade the heui, hpop, and fuel and more rpms/power can be achieved.


Originally Posted by Seydler3 (Post 844352)
Here's a 6.4 at 5200. But they're not HEUI.

5200 rpm testing. American Ride Pulling 6.4 Powerstroke - YouTube

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Good video:tu:

Seydler3 01-17-2012 05:06 PM

Yeah that American Ride pulling truck is insane haha. BTW I think they make a p pump conversion for the 7.3!

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85_305 01-17-2012 07:17 PM

ya they probably do.. although it would be a HUGE pita.. probably FAR more than it's even worth


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