High performance 140v IDM? Worthwhile?
 

I was talking to a pretty neat character on this forum, and was wondering some about this 140v IDM. Is it worthwhile to do? All I plan on doing to the truck are intake/exhaust/tuner. I am doing just enough mods so that I dont have to touch my tranny; I dont want to drop money into that.

How kind of power/economy increases will come with installing a good IDM w/ the intake/exhaust/tuner?

Matt

Do you know how to solder? If you can solder well, this is a cheap thing to do. If you mess up your IDM, you will have to buy a used one or a new one, either way they aren't cheap...

You will see no power/economy increases from the IDM mod... Some people say it will give you a crisp throttle response, others say the idle is smoother...

IMO, just do an exhaust, intake, GAUGES, and chip... Then drive it.

I am looking to get the Swamps IDM in the next few months, Its a bit different then the typical modded IDM.

140v IDM = 10k mod

Swamps high frequency high power IDM = Custom tuned Chip...

Just a comparison.

But James is right, you will not see any jump in HP, just a bit more crispness in the way it runs.

Yes I can solder but I doubt I'd risk ruining anything.

I've read online that a 140v IDM can give 30-40hp and like 50-60lbs of tq... I've even come across a dyno with a verified like 30 or 40lbs of tq to the WHEELS using a better IDM.



Joe- I was thinking about the Swamps unit or the Beans unit. Like I said above, there are dynos out proving higher hp/tq using a better IDM tho

I have NEVER seen an IDM mod give anything more then a few hp... I would be very suspect of someone claiming anything more then that.

Swamps is the only company that does the IDM tuning, NO one else does. So make sure your comparing apples to apples, not apples to raisins. LOL

On edit...

If you were to take a 110v IDM out of a OBS, and swap in a modded IDM, I could see picking up 20-40# tq... But it would have to come with other mods at the same time.

Beans Diesel Performance - 7.3 Power Stroke IDM Modification (Powered by CubeCart)

Advertised as 30hp by a very reputable Diesel tuner.

Also, check the dyno slips in this write-up:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/servo/tips/atips.html


I've heard from a LOT of people that they've noticed a huge seat of the pants performance increase, and that when they've gone back to a stock IDM they can tell the difference.


But on a side note, I'm def more of an apple fan over raisins:rocking:

Again... Going from a 110v OBS IDM to a 140V SD IDM then I could see picking up MAYBE 15 hp... Not buying 30hp, sorry just not happening.

And again, the Beans IDM is just a resistor mod, it is NOT a tuned IDM like the Swamps unit is.

Nothing wrong with the Beans unit, but it is not a tuned IDM.

I dont know man, I'm seeing some pretty positive results from it. I wish I could see more dyno results though...

Here's the resistors you want... Unhook your batts, take your IDM out, pop the top. Look at the small workspace you got to work in and then decide if its something you can do... I had the resistors in my hand, I had the IDM apart and decided not to do it for the minimal gain I would maybe see... Just my .02 but it would be cool if you did it and took some pictures and did a little write up so we can have it here on the site for other members... :c:

Digi-Key - PPC75.0KXCT-ND (Manufacturer - SFR16S0007502FR500)

^Thanks for the link and advice! I'm gonna do more research and see what I come up with first :tu:

Early IDM swap
 

According to the fella at powerstrokehelp (on youtube) the late model 220v IDM's will direct swap into the early trucks that use the 100v units. Of course I don't see how injectors made for the lower voltage will go undamaged by doubling the voltage but I don't know all the specifics. Anyway, supposedly this swap will produce the crisper throttle response and such that you fellas are talking about. If that's true it sure would be cool.

Jeff

First thing is don't listen to that idiot on YouTube. There was never a 220v IDM. You can run an IDM from any year 7.3 PSD in any year, they all interchange.

Joebob thanks for your input.
I really don't think Bill is an idiot, he seems to be pretty knowledgeable on powerstroke engines.
I probably misquoted the voltage he mentioned, its been several years since I have seen the video.

He is an idiot, I would not listen to anything he said. Sounding knowledgeable and actually knowing what your talking about are very different things

Ok, what has you believing he is an idiot?

Its been years since I have watched any of them but a main one is his hpop reservoir oil change. If you don't know how the engine works you shouldn't be telling other people what to do on it

That's not an answer Joe. That is an open ended accusation without any explanation.

It sounds like you are implying that there is something wrong with changing the oil in the HPOP reservoir. The old adage that you can never change the oil too often applies to that reservoir just as it does to the oil pan. Apparently he has come across situations where that oil isn't getting circulated, and filtered, the way it is supposed to be and in turn it turns nasty and become distructive, like all oil does when it is not changed periodically. So he gave the advise to change it and "one" suggestion of how to accomplish it. If that oil is getting circulated properly in your engine, you're not going to harm anything by manually changing it. So what is your complaint about that video?

Now in fairness, I too have recognized something he said that is inconsistent.
He has a three video set on performance enhancements where he suggests taking the hollow end cap bolt, in the end of the fuel rail, in each head and cross drill one of the 1/8" holes to 1/4" and it will allow more fuel volume. I question the benefit of doing that because that bolt has two 1/8" holes drilled in it at 90 degrees to one another. The outlet of the bolt (or orifice) is 1/4" inch. My observation is that two 1/8" holes equal 1/4" and even if you could drill one out to 5/16" it is still feeding into a 1/4" orifice, therefore making the procedure redundant. But I am also willing to admit that perhaps I am simply missing something in the mix here that he understands and I do not.

Other than that I have no qualms with his teachings. A lot of sound advice if you ask me and I have many years of experience in the automotive industry making repairs of drivetrain components. I sought out help with my powerstroke because I had no experience with diesels and was having issues with my engine. Through the videos Bill puts out and the manual I purchased from turbodiesel.com, I have solved all problems except one. My fuel mileage is inconsistent. it jumps every tank full, anywhere from 15 to 21mpg with no rhyme or reason.

Correction: TurboTraining: Training Solutions for Ford PowerStroke, Navistar Chassis and Automotive Applications

Semantics
 

Does anyone have the semantics on this and where to out that resis to in if so I will try it