Best gauges for 6.0?
 

I have an SCT X3 and EGR delete on the way. Gauges I am considering are pyro, Oil temp, and Fuel pressure. Should I be looking at something else? Shold any of these be swapped for something else? If not, what temp should the oil typically be? Gauges I have found max out at either 280 or 340, not sure which one to get. I got a lot of work ahead but I'm damn near too excited to sleep at night.

Thanks, Tyler

i was looking along the same lines ..same three gauges...

i was thinking volt meter ...truck does not have one to let you the batteries are not charging:td:

Whistlindixie, I'd go for the 4 gauge pod and get the coolant temp too. Oil temp by itself or coolant temp by itself isn't as important as having both of them side by side to monitor the differences in temps. This difference is what tells you if your oil cooler is getting plugged up or not.

Just get a Edge Insight. It will monitor everything you need except fuel pressure.

Just got rid of the Juice w Attitude. That thing was junk. I lost two solenoids in the tranny and I couldn't use an automatic carwash because the damn thing wouldn't seal off right. After washing it, I'd get down the road, shut off the truck and it wouldn't start. If you spend $500+ on a programmer, you shouldn't have to cover it in silicone to make sure it works. One time it was raining and showed that my EGTs were at 2300 degrees. Another time I pulled over in the middle of BFE Louisiana at 3am and the damn thing wouldn't start. I had to uninstall it on the side of the road with a Gerber multitool. Sorry about the rant, but I was pissed that I wasted my money when #2 was selling for over $5 per gallon

Edge programmers suck. The Insight is top notch. That's the best bang for the buck.

And there is no wiring. It plugs into the obdII port.

Gettin a quote on the 4 gauge. Added coolant temp. I'm goin with Isspro EV2s. They are all electric. I already have the manifold tapped for the pyro. Think Ill run into any problems with the other installs (coolant temp, oil temp, fuel pres)?

whistlindixie, I just bought myself some EV2's for fuel pressure and fuel level (for my WVO tank in the bed). I had Dipricol Optix (still do actually) but looks like they went out of business. The EV2 is almost identical in the way it works and looks, all electric full sweep LED lit gauges. Top of the line. You should be fine with the install if you're a wrench turning kind of guy. Hardest part on my original install was finding the dimmer wire so the gauges would dim with the rest of the gauges in the truck already. Not bad at all.

Again, I know I've said this before. Any gauge reader that plugs into the OBD port is just reading what the truck already sees. What happens if there is an issue with your truck and it says your trans temp is 500 degrees. Obviously you know it's not, but your insight still thinks the same. I've also heard the factory gauge for the temp on the trans is off by about 20-30 degrees.

To each his own, they are nice and easy to install as well as remove that way, but I just like knowing my stand-alone gauges aren't lying to me.

If I was going that route, I'd just get the SCT livewire, or the touchscreen setup, since that's who I'd be using for tunes anyways. :rocking:

I prefer Mech Gauges myself. Better performance and in my opinion they look better than a monitor.

Can't go wrong with Isspro EV2's :tu:


Luke

My livewire reads boost and trans temp dead on what my pillar guages show. The factory boost guage reads the same as my pillar also. As far as I know you can't read engine oil temp with a livewire unless its been added as an update since I installed mine.

Why can't you? I have datalogged oil temp and coolant temp with my X-cal2 using the livelink software from SCT. It's just reading off the OBD port like the livewire would. Hmmm.

Good to know about the temps being the same. It's only something I had heard on the boards. Each truck could be different though so who knows.

It's not listed in the selection of pids it gives me to choose from. Maybe I just need to update it or try to datalog. I have my old xp laptop sitting around maybe I should put it to use. I have been wanting to check the difference in oil and coolant temp since I read you talking about it elsewhere. Just got my egr delete yesterday so it would be nice to know if I should do the oil cooler at the same time or wait till I do studs after my dodge sells. Where do you hook a oil temp guage at on a 6.0?

Been usuing scangaugeII for 3 years and the reading is very accurate.
What is off is the dash gauge and not the sensors.
EGT and oil pressre has to be extras

I was thinking of getting fuel press., Pyro, Oil temp, and volts. These are all the ones my truck does not have.

WhistlinDixie, I would recommend the Banks iQ to monitor everything that you want. Not only that when you get the Six Gun or Economind tuners they plug directly into the obdII port. After you make a few connections under the hood you are jamming. You can monitor 5 things at once and can change between a variety of others depending on what you feel you need to watch. I have mine set to monitor oil temp, tranny temp, EGTs, intake air temp and coolant temp. It is all on one 5" touch screen that mounts like a GPS anywhere you want it. Pricey but it will do what you want and you can update it over the internet when new stuff comes out. Not sure why some guys don't like them, WAY better for your motor then the other guys (they actually use science and research to create stuff).:scare2:

Probably because they cost more, and offer less power. Banks has some really really nice drag trucks, however you can't buy any of the parts on those trucks. They're overpriced and good at marketing.

You know exactly how they do it? It's clear their magazine ads are working on you. Why don't you run your truck on the dyno, or at the local track and let me know how you make out. An SCT equipped truck will hand you your a$$ every day of the week. What "science" do they use? I'm not saying they don't know what they're doing, they definitely do, they're great at selling a lesser product for more money to people who just don't know better.

Call them up and ask them if their IQ will actually tune the transmission on a 5R110. If they tell you yes, they're lying.

If you saw some of the posts from Gale Banks or JBarker over on CompD you'd probably never buy anything from them again. Never seen such arrogance in my life.

It still plugs into the OBD port, so it's still just a "piggyback" on the stock software, you're not really tuning anything with it.

What'd that setup cost you again? Have you made any dyno runs? Have you run it at the track? I made 466/772 on a superflow dyno running a $485 programmer with custom tuning from Innovative Diesel. Also cut a 14.25 1/4 mile using an Escort dash mount GPS device (very accurate) running 34" super swampers, and a loaded toolbox in the back.

Now I realize you can't please everyone with just one item, and some guys will be just fine with the Banks stuff, but don't push it on people who are going for the best, because it's not.

Wow, such hostility. I guess if you want to max out your truck and blow smoke then go with whatever. I am trying to take care of my truck and invest money into it to make sure I can use it to tow my 5er when and where I need it. If all you want to do is go really fast get a little rice burner, it's cheaper. Last time I checked these are heavy trucks for doing work. By the way, do any of the companies that you promote back up their products against the manufacturers and warranty issues? Banks does, and has a staff to ensure that customers can use their products with the assurance that they are not violating the factory warranty. What kind of mpgs do you get with that zippy system? I get 18-21 on the highway going 75-80, and 15-17 in town.

I understand wanting to make a dollar go as far as you can, but nothing wrong with offering guys options for those of us who save longer to get quality we can count on. Yeah, the advertising is good, again backed by comparisons with the other guys stuff, don't see that in many other ads. Just sayin'...:nope:

The hostility started with Gale Banks bashing members of a forum. It's just poor business practice.

FWIW, my extreme race, which is my hottest tune, barely has a haze at WOT, almost not even noticeable. Not bad for a 420RWHP daily driver tune. I'm trying to take care of my truck and make it last as well, I too tow a camper. Your tuner does NOTHING for your trans, so how does that take care of anything on a truck that tows? Mine does.

Driving a rice burner is NOT cheaper. Maybe the monthly payment would be lower, but currently I get over 100 miles per gallon of diesel used. Running just #2, I get about 15, and I do NOT believe your 21mpg story. If you do, good for you, but the typical mileage for a 6.0 is 13-17 depending on mods/tire sizes. It is rare for a 6.0 to get near 20. It doesn't matter to me though. Either way, it's not really the tuner in this case, usually the mileage is dependent of what flash Ford currently has installed on your truck. A lot of the older flashes got near 20mpg, but they also ate injectors and FICM's.

You actually think if something happens to your motor Banks is going to step up and foot your bill when the Ford dealer denies warranty? Do you find it hard to breathe with your head buried in the sand that far? You ARE violating your factory warranty with that Banks. Read your owners manual for your truck. ANY modification found to cause issues can and will void your warranty. Do you bring your truck into the dealer for service with the Banks still hooked up? If you do, you have a cool dealer, but most are not like that.


You're absolutely right, there are options out there and one thing will not satisfy every person, I agree, but when you say things like "backed by comparisons" you're just regurgitating the same BS they fed you. WHAT COMPARISONS? WHERE ARE THE RESULTS? What is it you're comparing? It's not power, they lose there, it's not price, they also lose there, it's certainly not safety, unless you consider just running a lot less power the "safe" approach. I prefer my SCT because I know it is custom tailored to my EXACT truck, and it actually accesses the TCM so it can tune the transmission to work with each tune, where as the banks does what? Might raise line pressure, but that's about it...



If you'd like to try and break it down and explain why the Banks is better than a custom tuned SCT, then by all means lay the facts on us. The IQ itself is a decent unit, running outdated software, but the features seem pretty nice. But if I want that I'll go buy an Ipod Touch or a labtop, I bough a TUNER for my truck though.

Stick around the forums long enough and you'll start to see the light. Check the for sale sections, you'll find a lot of Banks/Bullydog/Edge products there from people seeing the light too.

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Okay so the truck has oil temp, coolant temp, and trans temp already. Is there a need to get stand alone gauges when there in the dash already?

The truck does NOT have oil temp, and the other gauges on the factory dash board are all but useless. My trans temp gauge on the factory dash doesn't move at all, even though my stand-alone can read anywhere from 80-180. The factory stays the same. Not exactly my idea of accurate. The factory stuff is more of a "suggestion" than a real gauge. It works in increments. Take for instance the factory coolant temp gauge (bottom gauge on the right in my truck). It has around 5 or 6 predetermined "stops" and moves to a new "stop" every time it goes up 40 degrees or something (just pulling numbers out of my arse). It doesn't actually work like a real gauge.

JMO!

How did this thread go from a discussion about gauges to a argument about a tuners?
Anyway, I think the analog gauges look the best. Kind of reminds me of an old WWII fighter or like being in an early jet cockpit. I came here not knowing what I wanted, but I looked up the ISSPRO EV'2s and they look pretty cool. Lots of nice features, too. I think when I get some money I'll invest in a pyro and oil temp for my 7.3. I don't really think I need anything else.

Probably because a lot of the progammer modules can double as gauges now. I agree, I like the stand-alone gauges too. I wont say analog, because you can get them with digital readouts too! EV2's are great gauges!

I still think I like the analog ones over digital because of that old-time airplane feeling. I like seeing the gauges spin around instead of just seeing a number, that's just me though.

Ahh I got ya. Yes, I agree, they are cool! We should get a picture thread going of our gagues/cockpit area of our trucks! I've seen it on other forums. Actually there's probably already one around here huh? Let's do one for our 6.0 section anyways. :pca1:

Nah I think it shoud be in like a general for section or a general diesel section because I deffinentaly want my 7.3 to be a part of it once I get me some pictures up!

First post in the thread is a 7.3 anyways! How about one for all superduties?

Sorry Sorry I got linked here and didn't realize it was the 6.0 section. Is there just a general super-duty section?

Sure, there is a 7.3 section and a general section. Go to the main forum page. You'll see the general powerstroke section at the top of all the Ford stuff.

Actually here... https://www.dieselbombers.com/ford-t...-diesel-forum/

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Thanks for that link.

[QUOTE=Mdub707;644597] Hardest part on my original install was finding the dimmer wire so the gauges would dim with the rest of the gauges in the truck already.

MDub, do you have a write up on how you wired the gauges to your dimmer wire?

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Pop the dash apart, find the wires going to the dimmer switch, get a multi-meter and probe the wires until you find 12V, then roll dimmer switch up and down and watch voltage change. If it doesn't change, it's not the right wire. I think there's only like 3 wires coming out the back, it's actually not that hard, but I avoid wiring all together. My buddy did that portion, I was under the truck drilling the manifold and such. He told me it was hard, it was not that bad. I've since done some myself and had no issues.

Depending on which gauge you have, it shouldn't be too hard. The gauge needs 12V and a ground to "light up" at night, so your 12V source, should just be tapped into that dimmer wire you find.

www.dieselmanor.com has some really good write ups on installing gauges.

Does the edge just plug in? I just bought my 05 f250 and already have a gauge for fuel pressure and exhaust temp. But want to be able to check everything. I'm new to the Diesel stuff. So any info on the gauge would help