Edge Juice With Attitude for the 6.0
 

Does anyone use this programmer? I got mine about two weeks ago, and haven't seen any problems with it. Is it really unsafe for them? Just wondering what the best way to run them is for fuel mileage ect.. I also was wondering if anybody has it stacked with an SCT for the monitor function, and how you go about doing such a thing. Thanks guys.

Oh and BTW if anyone wants to experiment with any custom fab work, im your guy. We do a lot of cnc plasma cutting, and i've been dying to make some grilles and such, just havent had the time to tear mine apart. If you didn't notice i'm new to the diesel world, but so far i've fell in love.

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stacking the two will end up getting ur truck broke. 6.0 are well known for poping head gaskets with just a little added power. your edge juice will pop it if u beat on your truck on the higher settings. hope ya have luck with it :U:

I had the Edge system on my 04. I liked it purely for the fact that it was able to clear the codes (always had codes) I found that I got 2 mpg better when running on level 5. This seems to be a great level for everyday driving. By all means, if you are towing, do not run it on this level.

thanks guys. i guess i'll give the 5th setting a try. I know enough not to tow with the power settings. I'm pretty cautious about egts. if they get over 1000 i usually back off real quick.

We had a 6.0 truck that was a customer's truck with a juice with attitude on it.

It ran 14.20's.

Couldn't keep head gaskets in it though.

BIG ANGRY this one is for you.

So... you work a lot on fords from what i've read. Is this head gasket issue that most of the 6.0s seen a lot on the newer ones? Mine is an 06 (65k miles on it so far) i had some injector issues from the previous owner (25k) ( 8 new injectors) but that was the end of the problems. I had the death wobble untill i leveled it out and put new rancho 9000s on it, now it rides like a new cadi. :U: so here are my questions.. 1. Do i need to worry about head studs with the way i have it set up now? 2. What are the best lubricants, oils, fluids, ect for the thing? 3. Do i need to worry about blowing the head gasket out of it with my edge set on 3 all the time? I go real easy on it, egts never get over 1100, i keep it on 3 to do away with the turbo spool time. I'm real new to the diesel world and i figured you were the guy with the answers. Thanks in advance bud!

I got an 05 6.0L I have had no issues with the heads on my truck and I have a quadzilla adrenaline on level 3all the time. You have a better chance of blowing a gasket if you still have a EGR system. and you have basically the same set up as me except my erg cooler is gone and i don't worry. hope I helped.

^^^ Wrong info about the EGR causing head gasket failures.

EVERY 6.0 has the potential for head gaskets to fail, and most of them do it without a chip FWIW.

I stud almost every truck I have apart.

Your head gaskets are living on borrowed time, sir.

HGs blow on stock trucks, so no truck is safe. Its not if but when. IMO edge gives you lots of power, but doesnt do it as safley as an sct with custom tunes, which would give you more bang for your buck.

i'm thinking about gettin an SCT and using my attitude to monitor it. Can that be done?

Im pretty you can use it just to monitor

For what it's worth, I would find a dealer that's friendly to modifications before you need any major work done. Ideally, when your truck poops out a head gasket, it would be nice to have a dealer in mind that isn't going to hang you out to dry on the tuner, as well as offer you the opportunity to upgrade to the studs instead of the stock style head bolts. I've got several sets of head bolts in my toolbox that went unused and the customer didn't want 'em after I put the studs in their machine.

I was told that deleting the EGR system the chances of blowing a head gasket weren't as high.

I run the juice with attitude along with banks intercooler,5" exhaust, cfm intake and injen/amsoil inake filter, egr plugged, all mods were made at 120k and I now have 190k on the truck/ no head studs yet/ will do them eventually though. I am like you, I don't push it too hard when towing, I use the recommended setting of 2 for that, I normally leave it on 4 for normal driving, two weeks ago I took a 460 mile trip/920 round trip, and got 25mpg staying at 5 over posted speed.the trip was to pick up a 6.0 core motor, complete, to do a complete build, fire rings, studs,head and main,billet cam,forged rods, better valve springs,,bigger injectors,,just to have something I can pound on a little more.Bob

The generic tuners (edge, quadzilla, and the likes) are actually harder on your headgaskets than most custom tuned SCT's. The timing is more precise with the custom tunes. With the more "generic" timing from these other "programmers" it can drastically increase cylinder pressures.

If you've ever seen the spray pattern differences in the two, you would understand, the custom tuned SCT's spray right into the bowl, where it's supposed to be.

This isn't even getting into transmission tuning... which IMO is even more important.:pca1:

I agree with you on the trans tuning, that is why I take it easy on the towing, the engine has alot more power than the trans could handle on a daily basis. the trans will last if you take care of it, I towed a 92 chevy crewcab dually with a 454 in it back from Sarasota fl to maryland/ about 1000 miles one way/ with no problems at all, at the time I had about 160k on the truck. The dually is for a cummins conversion I am doing, all mech.

Youd be suprised what the stock 5r110 can handle. I run the hughest tune on my SCT, custom of course, and dont baby it. With proper tranny tuning it can handle alot more then youd think.

Exactly my point. I dont baby mine at all, and have the extreme race tune or extreme street tune from Eric as my daily driver.

I run the panty dropper tune as my DD fromTSD.lol Im also suprised how well the factory head bolts have been holding ( knock on wood).lol

Mine blew pretty quickly, but I have a heavy foot. Mine are blown again now with the ARP's in there already too...:madd:

Your heads are probably warped...I've never had a repeat failure using ARP studs.

Does anyone know the horsepower differances between Elite and Inovatives custom sct race tunes for a 6.0??

There are many people who have had this issue. There is a 30+page thread about this on PSN. One guy has had it happen 4 times, using new gaskets and even milling the heads. Its a 580rwhp truck. It's a very good read if you have the time. Beans diesel ended up putting a lot of research into this issue and came up with a new method to sealing the heads. It is essentially Ford's method (torque angle, vs. torque reading on a wrench), minus the last step (this is the step that stretches the stock bolts).

I think I'm going to try this method if I ever get mine apart.

Also mine blew VERY shortly after having my ARP's installed, with one new head from Ford too.

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HP is probably similar, giving the edge to Innovative. The important part is Innovatives tranny shifting is supposed to be much better.

What do you guys think about the bullydog tripledog programmer??
Im running it on performance and smooth tranny and an 5" mbrp turboback exaust

get an sct

Hands down Innovative Diesel's SCT. :jump:

Alright cool thats what everyone is saying so i think ill go get one of those instead.

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You can't go wrong using Innovative Diesel's custom tunes. Eric will walk you thru the options so that you get exactly what you are looking for. Remember to have him turn off your EGR valve. :c:

answer edge programmer
 

I have a edge on my 04 , 6.0l i have Magnaflow performance 4inch with converter,poweraid inverter P.S goes in incooler tube to intake,as well Roush Stag 11 cold air intake,set my edge
at stage 3 work real good i pull 28foot fifth wheel ,JUST watch egts stay under 1200,add fuel
as needed ,get 18 to 21 mpg,my truck has 122,000 on it now ,no problems so far!!!! My research has helped me see the impor, of keeping fluids & filters changed on time or sooner use 5w40 synthec ,Make sure change
transmission filters use only ford parts ,fluids ,alot of this head gaskets problems come from over heating, and
being ran to hard, dont rely on factroy gauges keep teps,under 215,i have worked on lot of
diesels in my time,sometimes it better keep foot out ? P.S be for everyone gets to excited about 6.0l need look at sites about other makes Per ch-dodge it all comes from hows it is used or abused,
maybe my age is telling me something.:tu::tu::w2:

5R110's last a lot longer with good tuning, vs. the untuned approach with the Edge. I'm glad it's working for you, but I hate to see people have bad fortune from running an inferior product.:humm:

2 words Radiator Cap
 

The reason the 6.0L head gaskets blossom is cause the stock radiator caps the spring valves go out not allowing the pressure in the coolant system to build up to the 24 psi it should hold instead with the stick radiator caps your truck only holds 4 to 7 psi at best the pressure in the coolant system decreases the coolant temp the temp on your engine should be around 225 with a bad radiator cap the temp goes up easily 15 to 20 degrees there for blown head gasket and warped heads save yourself some time and money by buying a 10 dollar radiator cap every 6.0L I work on I put a new radiator cap on won't even charge the customer either. I have a 6.0L with this chip never had a issue my best friend has a F250 same engine same chip also never had a head gasket or head issue.