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lodal cummins 05-14-2011 11:35 PM

timing bump
 
how many degrees does the 1/8 timing bump set you at 14.5 or 15? thanks alot!!!!!!

cougar 05-16-2011 04:21 PM

Sat down and figured this out one day. And with a little help from some friends, got the numbers fine tuned.

Cummins engine VE pump timing: (unverified)
1.25mm pump lift = 12.5° stock intercooled (1.4mm stock non intercooled)
2.4mm additional pump lift (advance) = 21° - 22°
M&H timing spacer increases to 6.4mm advance = 31° - 32°


1mm pump rotation = 1° timing (verified)
1 tooth on drive gear = 5° timing (verified)

1/8" bump is 4° - 5°

Hope this helps

lodal cummins 05-16-2011 06:57 PM

so is it safe to say after 12.5 stock the 1/8 gets u around 14? thanks for taking the time to verify this. what is the M2 timing spacer?

cougar 05-17-2011 10:06 AM

1/8" bump puts you at a 16ish-17ish base timing.
The M2 is a fuel pin.
The M&H Dynamic timing device (timing spacer) allows for more total advance. 12.5° to 32°, instead of the stock 12.5° to 22°.

901stgen 05-17-2011 03:06 PM

So by looking at your math that would put a non-intercooled engine at around 13°? Correct?

lodal cummins 05-17-2011 04:33 PM

so if the 1/8 puts you around 16 17ish are we risking a head gasket?

cougar 05-17-2011 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by 901stgen (Post 754286)
So by looking at your math that would put a non-intercooled engine at around 13°? Correct?

Yes, around 13°-14°.


Originally Posted by lodal cummins (Post 754313)
so if the 1/8 puts you around 16 17ish are we risking a head gasket?

No, quite a few people bump it a lot more and/or jump the gear a tooth. How ever, when you advance the timing you take away from the low RPM end to give to the high RPM end. Your modifications, tuning, and end purpose will determine your best timing. For example, my 91 had the gear jumped a tooth but did not perform as well as I would have liked when towing. So now my base timing is back to stock plus the timing spacer. That gave me my low end back and extended my upper end.

901stgen 05-18-2011 04:15 AM

Where's a mod? This needs to be a sticky...... :w2:

BC847 05-18-2011 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by cougar (Post 753836)
Sat down and figured this out one day. And with a little help from some friends, got the numbers fine tuned.

Cummins engine VE pump timing: (unverified)
1.25mm pump lift = 12.5° stock intercooled (1.4mm stock non intercooled)
2.4mm additional pump lift (advance) = 21° - 22°
M&H timing spacer increases to 6.4mm advance = 31° - 32°


1mm pump rotation = 1° timing (verified)
1 tooth on drive gear = 5° timing (verified)

1/8" bump is 4° - 5°

Hope this helps

Crap!

I've got my mess advanced two teeth, with the pump set just a hair past the stock marks. Plus the M&H spacer. :s:

Still tweaking it though.

cougar 05-18-2011 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by BC847 (Post 754569)
Crap!

I've got my mess advanced two teeth, with the pump set just a hair past the stock marks. Plus the M&H spacer. :s:

Still tweaking it though.

Yes, but your special.


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