06 and 07 guys rejoice efi live is on its way
 

Well guys it wont be too long befor the wait is over and efi releases the program. Im currently the first truck in utah to be running a efi live tune. The program is still in beta so i dont have many details and im not the person doing the tuning that would be my buddy zach. I can tell you that the differences are amazing! the truck runs way smoother the pedal isn't touchy at all it acts almost like a stock pedal except there is power when its floored. there isnt near as much timing rattle or fuel pop or anything of that nature the truck runs fantastic and we still cant even tune everything. oh and spool up is amazing! it holds like 7 or 8 psi just driving around cruzing speeds with my twins and i can free rev 7 psi or so. :jump:

Re: 06 and 07 guys rejoice efi live is on its way
 

I wonder if it will ever be offered for 05 trucks...

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Keep us posted :tu:

You will be able to tune an 05.... it's just a ways away...

There is alot of infomraiton about what's going on, the tentative release order, etc - all on EFI's site: Preparation for Cummins EFILive

Lots of questions to be asked / already answered there :-)

too bad its a duramax guy tuning my truck! hes gonna keep me a 10th slower than him at all times im sure of it. darn shiesty dmax guys. and hes gonna tell me its cuz he is gonna keep my truck safe but in reality he dont wanna lose to a cummins.. :humm:

I never said a tenth! I said 3 tenths! That's probably good for -50hp?
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I never said a tenth! I said 3 tenths! That's probably good for -50hp?
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Its good that you Cummins boys are gona be able to join the party.. :c: lol
they have been developing this for about a year and a half now

06 and 07 guys rejoice efi live is on its way
 

Very very exciting

Too bad that us with the V2 for GM have to spend $350 more to be able to tune 06-10 trucks, and if you want to tune 05-older you have to buy a whole new V2:td:

Awesome! I was thinking about what tuner i was going to use for my ford cummins. Now my mind is made up.

well on my 3rd tune now few other things added and change the truck runs amazingly smooth no timing rattle or fuel pop at all. it sounds much quieter at idle and throughout the rpms. the hp is equal to any of my previous boxes or programmers:tu:

I will post up some pics of the EFI Live tables that we have access to now as a beta testers... We have made some pretty good imporvements on Nicks truck over what he's used to in terms of drivability....

Power wise i'm just waiting on him to get some things right on the motor before we try to turn it up any more.

An important note is that we have kept the power the same, completely smoothed out the engine noise, built a smoother power curve, made his turbos light up significantly faster from about any RPM range, and potentially improved his economy at the same time..... That is with about 2-3 hours of actual 'tuning' including time of putting the tunes in his truck, driving, etc...

I'll get the tables posted though of some of the things we have access too in EFI Live. There are lots of important features we have already, and more to come. First They need to finish getting logging figured out.

For the Dodge world, and the guys who care about the best of all worlds on a modified truck - EFI live stuff is going to be your ticket....

If you haven't already found answers to your questions, i'll try to answer what I can for you, and will post up what i can.....

Whats the price tag?:pca1:

The price to buy an EFI cable (if you don't already have one) is $799 - regardless of where you buy. This will be your cable set up for Cummins tuning, including 2 VIN licenses (means you can tune 2 different trucks, right out of the box without additional cost).

Most of the tuners will give you a couple of 'starter' tunes with your cable when you purchase it - a basic economy and tow tune.

If you already have a V2 interface cable, it'll cost $399 to upgrade that cable to support the Cummins....

VIN licenses (trucks) are $99 a piece.

Custom Tunes - those will really vary from tuner to tuner. The Cummins game is new to EFI, so there aren't really any established tuners out there yet - but there are definitely some very well known tuners that you can buy from when the time is right for you, and there are some lesser known tuners who do it on a smaller scale that can take care of you just the same.

There are other ways to get your truck tuned as well. For example, if you don't want to be able to tune / flash your own truck (don't want to spend the $799 to learn and put in / change your own tunes) - some tuners will charge you a license fee for their cable to get your truck tuned with their own V2. There are definite downsides and i don't generally reccomend going with this approach.

There are some shops that will very likely offer Cummins tuning as well - which might be a better alternative for those not wanting ot purchase a cable.

There may end up being other options as well, but i don't want to bring them up yet.... as they may not make it to the Cummins market.

Best bet will be to buy the V2, buy your tunes form a tuner you trust - not just a guy that happens to have EFI before you.... and you'll love where it gets you....

cause duramax guys know what they're doing :D

believe me there is a millions ways to tune a vehicle, you can have ten different guys tune your truck with efi live and you can compare just the throttle base injection quantity and everyone does it different.

i know if i was tuning it i wont try to keep ya down cause one thing i like doing is making horsepower :rocking:

stoked about it.

EFI Live view of Cummins tuning...
 

Here are some of the many many tables currently accessible, with many more to come as the beta progresses....

Some of the tables are similar in many regards to duramax tables, others are not. Anyways, this lets you guys know what we're playing with in the beta of the Cummins tuning... And how much information EFI's software provides (visibly see how smooth or rough your tables are, etc.)

These screen shots are from Nicks bone stock tune... Some of the units are still not in Imperial units, but that will be changed well before the public release....

List of some of the tables that can be adjusted......
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Desired fuel based on throttle position... reference table
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Main injetion pulse based on commanded mm3
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First view of timing table graph (notice on stock that it's fairly rough with many ridges and valleys...
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Another view of timing table graph
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Timing table values (stock)
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Fuel limiter table.... based on boost
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boost sensor scaling (MAP sensor)
 

I believe this is the scaling table for the MAP / boost sensor....

Some people have had questions about this on other forums

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interesting, i gotta get me the cummins software update

when will this come out for the 05 cummins?:w2:

06 and 07 guys rejoice efi live is on its way
 

I cant believe how little interest this is getting on here on comp d there are over 300 posts on the same subject

Wow.....just seen this. Looks slick. Definitely of interest.

If you ahve an 05 cummins, and it's a "late" model 05, theres a slim chance your truck might be able to be tuned with this release from EFI Live.

That being said though, here is the order in which EFI Live is building support for the Cummins into their product. Because of some obvious differences in model years, engines, etc - they have established groupings of trucks to comprise a 'release'...

First is the 06-07 5.9 Cummins
Then the 07- Early 09 6.7 Cummins
Then 09-current
And finally they will loop back around to the 03-05 Cummins...

The reason the 03-05 Cummins is last to get support is because of the way the computers 'talk' for lack of a better way to put it. The 03-05 talk uses the SCI communication while the 06+ use the CAN-BUS communication (something EFI Live has been working with for years on GM stuff).... So they are sticking to their strengths first.

I know there is a huge demand for the 05 trucks to get tuning, and EFI Live knows this as well... It will come. Maybe not as fast as everyone hopes for - but seeing that things are actually in the works now should hopefully be a good sign to everyone in any of the categories above....

because comp d has alot of guys wanting to make the most power out of there vehicles for competition use. db isnt as much into the comp side of the industry, as much as it is the family and friends kind of site. :tu:

that being said, i cant wait to see how it works once its released to the public :jump:

its $1100 for a V2 with GM and Cummins tuning
$360 for just Cummins or GM

and for 05-older Cummins you need a different cable, so for any GM guys who already own a V2 you can tune an 06up cummins if you buy the Cummins tuning, plus VIN licensing

I think Im sticking to tuning GM trucks for a while :argh: oh well, this looks pretty sweet none the less

Its really interesting how the throttle based fuel only uses 0%, 25%, 50%, 100%, I guess the ECM just "fills in" the the spaces in between them?? crazy cummins engineers lol

those prices aren't quite right i don't think....

V2 (scan only) is 399...
To tune either GM or Cummins, it's $399 more including 2 VIN licenses...To do both, maybe there is a discount? Not sure on doing both, but i know one at a time it's $399.

Perhaps you get a better deal than the rest of us!!!?? :-)

Probably not, I didnt have exact prices in my head at the time, I just ball-parked it, I apologize, Here is a precise list of prices:scare2:

$399 for a V2
$399 for Cummins support
$399 for Duramax support

$1197 for V2 and Duramax/Cummins support
$798 for V2 and support for Cummins or Duramax
$399 for Cummins support added to any existing V2 cable
$399 for Duramax support added to any existing V2 cable

lol...

ok thats more in line with what I am selling them for :-) Just checking to make sure i wasn't set up wrong lol.

Are you beta testing too?

Nope, just a fan of EFI live and the potential it has for the diesel aftermarket:rocking:

looks like i have a wait for efi tuning cause mine is an early 05 my engine has a late 04 build date and i have the NV5600 trans.