Will the new box include pyro sensor, fuel pressure sender & boost sensor and all the wiring?

 

 

I honestly do not know on that, Ill ask mark monday when i see him again, I do know that we are moving away from palm devices altogether and going with a more updated device with more capabilities for the software we run. If it were to work, itd probably have to be sent to us to flash with the software. but like i said, ill ask mark to be sure on that.


Ramblinwreck, the box, just like the old one and most other boxes on the market, will come with its own wiring harness, we dont expect the customers to make their own. , with that said, as of right now, it should come with all the sensors that are needed for the display with the exception of the RPM, MPH, oil pressure, fuel temp(not sure if thatll make it to the final programing or not) water temp, and any other factory installed sensors as we are tapping directly into the ECM and read what it is reading from the factory sensors just as similar digital boxes do. For the boost, we plug directly into the factory MAP sensor which sends data to the ECM and our monitor.

Also, got some good news for people who already have a fueling box and would like to stack boxes or for those who just want some MPG increase with a moderate power gain, mark has decided to build a seperate box with just our timing program in it, I have been testing it all week. Power level gains show about 70hp and 150 ft lbs over stock on a completly stock test truck, will be running the stack with my modded truck later next week, will update then. MPG increase of about 2.8 mph. Not sure what the price will be on this box, its fairly simpler, about the half the size of a deck of cards so I dont think itll break the bank so to speak. We've already ordered and started the production of these last week and they should be out very soon. As far as the other box, its pretty much done, with it being the holiday season, getting enough of the display devices we need in is tough and programming takes a while so I do not think we will have this out in time to ship them before christmas which is a big blow to our hopes and plans. But there is a chance it may happen by new years, Ill keep you updated. Right now the delay is in the mass production of these things.

 

thanks for the update! i cant wait to see the new device and get the final word on this box! thanks for the update

 

What are the boxes that are pressure boxes? I thought everything had timing in it, and if you wanted to stack you had to use the smarty sense you can run it without timing?

 

No, you've it backwards, the smarty is a timing program primarily, I do believe they have tune that has some fuel to it but its mainly timing. Most boxes are fueling boxes such as the edge juice w attitude, the older powermax 3 from tst, and several others. Any box that taps the VP44 wire is a fuel box. There are timing only boxes such as the edge EZ, the power puck, smarty. These boxes/ programers plug directly into the ecm and change the calibration of the timing from the factory. There are a few boxes such as the quadzilla adrenaline and this new powermax from tst that do both. That's why they can get such gains as 180 to 200 hp with a push of a button. Hope that clears it up for you. And yes I know there's more boxes I didn't mention out there, just don't feel like typing 20 different box names

 

I want one, keep me updated when they are available. With the MPG increase alone seems to make it worth it.

 

Thanks, I was under the assumption that they all did timing, that's why I always heard that you had to turn to timing off on the smarty if you stacked with anything, usually heard about the edge comp. So your saying that with this new box or the adrenaline, they could both be stacked with the smarty with the timing on for the smarty? Either way I'm really wanting to hear/see more on this new box, as I have heard some less than stellar reviews of the adr. Just keep feeding us info
I the case of the edge comp, would the second settings be timing on it?

 

I ran one of the early adrs with the buttons that fell off alonf with surgin , had nothing but trouble. Sold it.went back to the edge juice, it went out on me so I started loing for a better box, been running this test box now for almost 3yrs and any problems we have had have been mionr, mostly with getting the fuel and timing curves to work together in a harmonious manner and not cause problems. I can't wait for it to be put out on the market. I think its a great box. Until you have tested one of these boxes, its hard to understand how hard it is to design one, I always thought all these boxes, edge, quads, any box really were over priced but after being involved and seeing the time and money invested to get a good product out, its no wonder these things run 600to 1000. I don't know what mark will be asking for the combo box with device, I haven't heard.

As for the smarty, we tried the different tunes, each seemed to work alright, because of the progressive timing in this new box(I really wish he'd name the dang thing) it only marginly makes a difference. So basically, you can stack it with a smarty, but I think you'll find the limits of the vp4r are already so close with the new box by itself that you may gain a handfull of horses or you may gain 30 or more. Honestly, I don't remember what the numbers we got when stacking it with the smarty were, I just know our main attempt was just to see what would happen if we did. Keep in mind that inside the vp44, there is a metal sleeve that rotates around the plungers, the path and advance that this rotates controls your time, however, bosch developed a stop on this sleeve, if it rotates and hits that stop internally, it won't go anymore and you get a surge or shutter effect as it tries to retur. This actually happened to us when we first started testing it, we had the advance set way to far and we'd shut the truck down everytime above level 3 of 10. We backed it off some and our hp and ft lbs increased and the problem went away. Hope that answers your questions.

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Now I cannot answer about stacking the smarty with the adrenaline as I never tried it and won't ever put quad back on my truck after the problems I had with the thing

 

Thanks, I'm not going to getting anything real soon anyhow, so hopfully we can see more on this box, because it's really sounding good