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junkyardkid69 05-25-2009 09:02 AM

little tricks and tips
 
I just did the turbo silencer ring and I really like it and was wonderin if you had any ideas of what i could do to gain power for little to no money

DB Admin 05-25-2009 09:41 AM

Plug your wastegate

DB Admin 05-25-2009 09:46 AM

https://www.dieselbombers.com/24-val...html#post33708

jkidd 05-25-2009 02:04 PM

get rid of junk in your truck to increase your power/weight ratio.

Programmers are cheap especially if you get one 2nd hand

Diesel Dawgs Performance 05-25-2009 02:35 PM

Find a used Edge EZ or Quadzilla XZT :U:

JLWelding 05-25-2009 02:42 PM

Get a Bhaf, straight exhaust and Rv 275 injectors.

redneckcummins85 05-25-2009 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by DieselMinded (Post 341288)
Plug your wastegate

how do u plug your wastegate??

JLWelding 05-25-2009 05:00 PM

I am not sure on pluging the wastegate, if it were me I would order a adustable boost elbow. But that is just me.

redneckcummins85 05-25-2009 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by JLWelding (Post 341430)
I am not sure on pluging the wastegate, if it were me I would order a adustable boost elbow. But that is just me.

tell me more about this adjustable boost elbow...what are the pros and cons to having it.. and where can i get one? and is it hard to install?? :yeah:

DB Admin 05-25-2009 06:55 PM

The simple explanation: a waste gate limits the maximum boost generated by the turbocharger.
How it works and what it does:

The waste gate uses a pressure activated diaphragm and rod to operate an exhaust bypass around the turbocharger and thus limit the maximum boost that the turbocharger can produce. This permits an engine manufacturer to use a "fast" turbo charger with a small exhaust housing to produce useable boost at low engine speed and load. To prevent excessive boost at higher engine speeds, the waste gate limits the maximum boost to a safe level for the engine, and prevents turbocharger over-speed.
The factory uses a small exhaust housing so that boost can be built very quickly, like small tube headers induce exhaust flow faster. However, the turbo could over speed and/or the exhaust restriction from small exhaust housing ports could choke the flow and horsepower at higher rpm. Therefore, a waste gate is used. A hole, about 1" diameter, is drilled into the side of the rear exhaust housing port. A flap valve connects this hole to a bypass port leading directly to the exhaust pipe. Therefore, when the waste gate opens, some of the exhaust flow is bypassed from the turbine fins. This waste gate helps to limit total boost, because it opens at a preset amount of boost. Enough gas is bled off so that boost effectively is limited to that value (18-23 lb for most B engines). The higher rpm hp is still choked by the small housing ports, but for emission purposes, it is more important to build some boost very quickly so that fuel can be allowed without smoke.
The waste gate operation is simple. A pressure line goes from either the compressor housing (e.g. the 180 hp engine) or from the intake manifold (via a T fitting on the AFC housing on top of the injection pump governor) over to a pressure motor attached to the turbo exhaust housing. The waste gate flap is held closed by the heavy spring in the pressure motor, through a linkage. When boost pressure to the pressure motor overcomes the heavy spring, the linkage opens the waste gate flap
MOD IT ??

Turning up the waste gate will increase the air volume that is stuffed into the cylinder. This *may* reduce the EGT, but will not increase power. How do you get more power? One way: more fuel = more power. To increase the power, the fuel rate must be increased. The boost should only be increased to match the fuel curve for smoke and EGT control. Several tests have been done where a truck was run on a dynamometer, the boost was increased by blocking the waste gate signal, and the truck was re-tested on the Dyno. In every case reported, no power increase was measured.
The 12 Valve engines do not have a problem with excessive boost.For improved performance on pre 94 engines, a 16 sq cm turbine housing is usually the best compromise between low speed boost and high speed exhaust restriction. The stock 12 cm housing on 94+ engines is OK up to about 240 HP, beyond which the small housing restricts the exhaust and raises EGT. A 16 cm housing provides enough low speed boost for an enhanced engine, and the exhaust runs cooler at high speed.
The engine computer on ISB engines is designed to prevent excessive torque from causing damage to the drivetrain, and monitors the boost for "excessive" power. The computer will reduce the fuel rate it will cut back the throttle - when the boost exceeds 21 psi on 215hp and 235hp engines With out a boost fooler which is included in performance boxes.
BLAH BLAH BLAH....... OK HERE YOU GO !!!!!!
HOW TO MOD IT ....

If you do not have a hard lined waste gate just cut the hose and shove a bolt down it to plug it or ... install Turbo-Master MODEL 24 Boost Control

http://www.cumminsdatabase.com/image...es/waste_5.jpg If your WG is hard lined there are a few options:

http://www.cumminsdatabase.com/image...turnbuckle.jpg Turn Buckle (Available at a hardware store -- Found mine at TSC).

http://www.cumminsdatabase.com/image...rnbuckle02.jpg Another Option

http://www.cumminsdatabase.com/image...es/waste_6.gif

junkyardkid69 05-25-2009 09:19 PM

:U::pca1: any others?

DB Admin 05-25-2009 09:21 PM

Do you have the 53 Block?

junkyardkid69 05-25-2009 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by DieselMinded (Post 341530)
Do you have the 53 Block?

i have no idea how do i check

BlackDodge 05-25-2009 09:38 PM

Just under the oil filter and just above the oil pan on passenger side it will be cast (53) in the block if it is. The numbers are about 1-2 inches tall. Shouldn't have any trouble seeing them.

psy_6att_6ica_6 05-25-2009 09:56 PM

so would i need to remove the turbo to install a turnbuckle or is it easy to do with it still in place?

Diesel Dawgs Performance 05-25-2009 10:23 PM

Leave the Turbo on the truck

94cummins12v 05-25-2009 11:22 PM

another way to block the wastegate that is 10 times cheeper is a $0.99 hose clamp

junkyardkid69 05-26-2009 08:19 AM

ok i will check the numbers when i get to work how do i plug the waste gate? is it bad for the motor?

DB Admin 05-26-2009 08:25 AM

If you have AN Automatic then you have the HY35 and the hard lined wastegate , use a turn buckle to keep it closed , if you have an hx35 and the rubber hose coming out of the front then cut the hose and stick a bolt down it and clamp it , you will throw an over boost code if you dont have a boost fooler

SuperDave4x4 05-26-2009 08:30 AM

Fill out your signature so we can know what year/model truck you have.

Is it an Auto tranny?

01quadcab 05-26-2009 10:52 AM

says it's a 99 in the top right so he has the hx.

24v'd_Fury 05-27-2009 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by JLWelding (Post 341385)
Get a Bhaf, straight exhaust and Rv 275 injectors.

Where can I find RV 275 injectors?

Jazz 05-27-2009 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by 24v'd_Fury (Post 342035)
Where can I find RV 275 injectors?

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24v'd_Fury 05-27-2009 10:10 AM

Good idea, Thanks

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Whats the difference between Rv 275's and 100hp injectors?
Got a good price on both.
My truck is an automatic with just an intake, but was going to get the Airdog 150 and Quadzilla Adrenalin, can I do the Airdog first, than the injectors before the tuner?
The only prolem I think I may have is, I was going to get the adrenalin with the pulse monitor and I wont have guages if I wait on that.

jkidd 05-27-2009 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by 24v'd_Fury (Post 342039)
Good idea, Thanks

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Whats the difference between Rv 275's and 100hp injectors?
Got a good price on both.
My truck is an automatic with just an intake, but was going to get the Airdog 150 and Quadzilla Adrenalin, can I do the Airdog first, than the injectors before the tuner?
The only prolem I think I may have is, I was going to get the adrenalin with the pulse monitor and I wont have guages if I wait on that.

difference is about 60HP. You can/should install Airdog 1st. Adrenaline Tuner will give you more power than 100HP injectors. Injectors alone may give you overboost codes. You can probably get away with no gauges if you only have 50-70 HP above stock.

junkyardkid69 05-27-2009 02:47 PM

Sorry guys i do need to fill that out but nits a 99 5 speed all i have done so far is the superchips max micro tuner i am going to try and get the exause dont next month:rocking: I looked at the side of the block and didnt see 53 I will look better when i change the oil is it good or bad if i have the 53 block?

Jazz 05-27-2009 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by junkyardkid69 (Post 342161)
Sorry guys i do need to fill that out but nits a 99 5 speed all i have done so far is the superchips max micro tuner i am going to try and get the exause dont next month:rocking: I looked at the side of the block and didnt see 53 I will look better when i change the oil is it good or bad if i have the 53 block?

They are known to crack but, I have also seen and heard of some with high mileage and no problems at all:U:

junkyardkid69 05-27-2009 10:20 PM

:humm:hope its not a 53

psy_6att_6ica_6 07-12-2009 09:17 PM

so i did the turn buckle on the wastegate today, im pushin about 28 psi now instead of the 18 i was gettin. that turbo sure screams now. :U:

giant870 07-18-2009 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by BlackDodge (Post 341541)
Just under the oil filter and just above the oil pan on passenger side it will be cast (53) in the block if it is. The numbers are about 1-2 inches tall. Shouldn't have any trouble seeing them.

The 53 could be stamped on the driver side. A buddy of mine has his stamped on the drivers side. Mine is on the passenger side. So you should look on eitehr side.

luke46 07-19-2009 08:43 PM

cheap horsepower on ebay?? go or no go
 
I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about 30-40 dollar 50- 100 horse little boxes you put in do they work? do they cause damage are they worth the time I'm just looking for a little boost right now on a budget but deffinetely don't want to hurt my truck

Dr. Evil 07-19-2009 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by giant870 (Post 366384)
The 53 could be stamped on the driver side. A buddy of mine has his stamped on the drivers side. Mine is on the passenger side. So you should look on eitehr side.

or both

Blackout_CTD 12-23-2009 06:52 PM

drill holes in the lower half of the air box, and wire up a smoke switch and a lock up switch if its auto

Heavyduty01 12-27-2009 08:47 PM

ok so ive been reading about plugging up the waste gate and im wondering how i can do it to mine it's an '01 with the h.o. and 6spd any help will be appreciated

blkjack 12-27-2009 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by Heavyduty01 (Post 459478)
ok so ive been reading about plugging up the waste gate and im wondering how i can do it to mine it's an '01 with the h.o. and 6spd any help will be appreciated

X2 on plugging the waste gate I know how to do it was just curious as to if it is damaging to the engine? I have gauges now and can monitor how much boost im getting right now im only pushing about 18-20 on a hard go but wonder if blocking the waste gate is helpful ie adding atleast some more hp or if it is just better to leave it alone. And how much more boost will I see from plugging it? And sorry Heavyduty01 not trying to steal a thread here just had the same idea and questions. :c:

2500superram 12-28-2009 08:07 PM

better of getting a valve,so you can adjust the boost.blocking it may put the turbo way out of it's efficency range,causing nothing but heat

sstockton 12-28-2009 10:05 PM

Yeah, you can pick up a valve and all the necessary fittings at a hardware store for about 1/4 of what one of those adjustable elbows costs. Get a little brass valve that is 1/8th NPT on both sides. Screw 1 side into the compressor outlet, and get a hose barb fitting for the other end. The 2 fittings should run you no more than $10 at the most. I get them for about $6 for both at the local hardware store. Then run some vacuum line between the actuator and the hose barb fitting, and you've got an adjustable boost controller for your wastegate. You can get the valves in either straight or 90* form usually so you have some options for your set up.
Sean

cumminspwrram59 12-28-2009 11:11 PM

which is better the rv275s or the 100's? :humm:

sstockton 12-29-2009 11:09 AM

The rv's are a great cheap little injector. They won't put down near the power that the 100's will, but they are still a lot of fun and very easy to manage EGT's. I ran bosch 300's, which some people say are identical to 275's and some say they are different I don't know for sure. Anyways, with my drag box and stock charger, I loved them. I could tow heavy with them, max EGT's were around 1300 and smoke was low. I could also keep up with my friends 01 with a comp and 100hp jammers no problem. However, my box was hotter, and his truck was heavier. All in all, they are a really fun street injector for a mildly tuned truck, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone.
Sean


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