Ford vs dodge vs chevy
 

ok i am a ford guy. thats it, its out now every one knows. but my cummins is my baby!

i want to know witch truck is faster when its aftermarket.

the ford 6.0/6.4?
the cummins 5.9 2nd/3rd gen?
the cheverlet-ya-down 6.6<-- i believe?

aftermarkit stuff will be coming form a working mans wallet. so no extreemly rediculus mods would be made!

i have a 24v with a 6speed and my buddy has a 6.0 stock and it smoked my truck in a race.
i have got a new clutch a programmer 100 hp injectors im running a vgt turbo and the same exact tires as him. we raced again after i put all of this on my truck, and it was clear to me his auto was the winner. i had more power could walk all over him, but imbetween shifts i lost more ground every time.
then i hear the 6.4 is faster?
on top of that i was told the chevy is even faster then that?
now im in a 2001 so i am thinking the 3rd gens must be faster then mine or is cummins falling behind in acceleration(not power)?
i like videos and educated opinions. oh what about deribility to.

all said and done im after buying another truck but i want this thing to be quick and use the good ol reliable Cummins for the pullin and abuse.

I've got a 2nd gen cummins with an automatic, edge juice with attitude chip, 100gph airdog lift pump and my brother has an 02 duramax with the same mods...i can beat him off the line but he always gets me after 3d gear

yeah thats it exactly! once i get out of my torque i get stepped on. i got a great lonch too but i wish i had an auto...

6.6 and 6.4 can be turned into very fast trucks. I would go for the 6.6, more comfortable ride, less injector issues (from what I've heard). If you get into a '06 or early '07, you have a potent engine to start with.

Duramax, definately... Or just get a 12valve...

..... a 12 vavle could not keep up with my truck.... let alone a stock 6.0 or 6.4 at that matter.

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so it sounds like 6.6 duramax.... i dont think i could go to a chevy though.... i would rather run a ford any day of the weak so... the 6.4 have any major problems? what kind of spool do they have and what kind of stuff is needed to get rid of the emissions :edit:

All trucks are fast when you stick a ton of 100 dollar bills under the hood.

I think best bang for the buck is a 04 1/2-07 5.9 commonrail EFI live and a built auto. This combo will beat a lot of trucks. Need a little more add some 100 hp injectors and a little bigger turbo. OR do it right and put on some twins with studs.

so still cummins huh? i love mine i am pumping alot of power but the built auto is where all the problem lies

First off your racing a 6 speed vs an auto. Dumb. If you are expecting to win then you have another thing coming. I have never once thought that my 5spd is faster than any auto. If you have a lead foot like you keep talking about and all you care about is how fast your truck is then you have the wrong truck. A auto is what you need. A 5.9 Commonrail with some good EFILive tuning will eat most any stock or slightly modified trucks. Manual trucks are good for pulling and driving, not going fast. :c:

Seems funny to me, Cause I have a 12 valve, Marine 310 injectors, with some timing advance, upgraded TC, and TL switch. A chipped 6.0 ford pulled up beside me, and he was about a half length in front of me, but once it locked up in 3rd I could only see smoke and headlights behind me. The kid couldn't believe it, and was stunned when he saw I had just over 354000miles on mine.

It all depends on what your are running for gears, and a standard will never be faster than a automatic.

Good old 12 valve is reliable, and easy to make HP. Can't wait to put my twins on it in the spring.

Good thing about the 24 valves is that you can turn it up with the touch a button, so if you go to the track, or sled pull, you bring up the power, and bring it back down when you go home.

I wouldn't drive anything other than a dodge, cummins all the way.

Corb

hmmm 6.4 with a minimaxx,exhaust,intake....

i've read numerous claims of all kinds of problems with the 6.4...

And btw... for 0$ you can easily outrun a stock 6.0 and dmax with a 12valve !!!

At least that's my experience...

I honestly don't think my 12 valve auto could be a prius. And I have a 0 fuel plate. I always heard how easy they are to get power out of. I don't think so.

I have twin turbos on order and hope it wakes it up.

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A 6.4 deleted with a minimax is a fast truck. Ill give you that!

I would say that if I had to go out and buy an 08 or newer truck today, I would probably buy a 6.4 powerstroke. And believe me, that's hard for me to admit. Used Duramax's are extremely expensive and it just seems to me that the newer Dodge's just aren't up to par with the rest of the market. For a fast truck, I personally think that you'd be hard pressed to beat a reg. cab 4x4 6.4 powerstroke with a mini max, intake, & exhaust. JMO:argh:

this is all good imput! and i am fully aware of my manual problwm to.... i have had many people willing to trade straight up a built auto for my 6spd but the work required to do so is so exstensive. it would take to long for a guy to come out of god knows where and swap the tranny, computers drive shafts steering colums wiring harness, and tranny cooler.
does anyone know of an auto tranny that is 100% computer free? of course it will have to handle my tuck torque.

back to the thread though. a 5.9 commin rail wiht a built auto tranny is the way to go for a fast bob tail,a strong pull and, a durible brute?

Tune your AFC, slide your plate full forward and set timing to 17°

My truck will destroy a stock 6.6 Dmax and a Powerjoke with a Superchip is having a hard time.. and i'm still at 13,5°... read my sig...

Can't wait to bump timing to 21°, maybe i'll just set it to 19°...

oh you are a bada$$ your modified 12valve can beat a stock tuned truck. 6.0s are tuned way way slow stock and the 05+ are even worse. Duramax I dont know about the stock programming. 6.4s have their fair share of problems but they make 600hp on a tune and come with transmissions that can handle that HP, not forever but they can handle it and the bottom ends are stoudt just like the 6.0s

ok so alot of this is opinion based stuff guys. i want to see an old 12 vavle woop a 6.0 from 0-60 though that would be sweet. i have a hard time beliving it but everything could be possible. i am also in the mind set of my slow 6spd. are there any awsome videos showing and old 12v killing a power joke? btw i bleed blue for ford but i got to admit the 6.0 might have a stought bottom end but bottom end doesnt do shit when the top end blows through the hood. i will give it to cummmins. they bolt it together and it doesnt come appart.

tell that to the 6.7 cummins guys that have blown head gaskets :scare2:

I love it... i've used and abused mine...

only stock part to fail was the clutch... i've even had drive pressures up to 75psi... not even a blown HG...

incredible... everyone should have a cummins !

Not all of them. Just like not all of your 6 oh no's have them. Seeing a modified 12v keep up with a newer truck is impressive let alone beat it. Remember a 12v starts at 125hp and even if its a 98 its still 14 years old. Dont be such a smart a$$. Oh and just kinda like you told me once, my 6.7 had 140K miles and no issues. :c:

I know v customs I didnt say all of them did :c:

but just like the 6.0s the 6.7s seem to like eating headgaskets, unlike the 5.9s :argh:

High Drive pressures dont keep head gaskets intact. The He351ve creates around a 2:1 ratio of drive pressure to boost. :c:

not a fan of 6BT 6.7, never will be...

5.9 is and always will be... THE DOMINATOR of light duty trucks...

What's a 6BT if its not a 5.9?

My dad has had 3 6.7 cummins and he puts 40,000 miles a year on his trucks. Our construction company still owns the older 2 plus another 2009 6.7. No problems or blown head gaskets on any of them. Not sure what you're talking about.

The VGT on the 6.7 creates high drive pressures. Too much fuel and too much boost can lead to head gasket failure. My 6.7 had 140K miles and never had an issue. Fully deleted with H&S Mini Maxx. :c:

Ive owned 2-7.3 strokes,1-6.0,2- 6.6 d max,and now on my 2nd 5.9 cummins.Never had the 1st bit of problems out of either of my 7.3s,got rid of my 6.0 with only 11k miles so I guess you could say I never gave it a chance to show its ass.But it was in a 4x4 E350 van and i must say it was fast as hell with no more than a superchips programmer,My first d-max developed a rod knock at 102k,My 2nd d-max was purchased with just over 200k and pretty quick with a tripple dog and 5" straight pipe and intake.But,always had a noise i didnt like and only kept 6 months/10k miles.The 24 valve I have now has plenty of power and has no problem keeping up with pretty much anything on the road with what you see in my sig.....But the one I miss most of all by far was my 05 CC SB common rail.All that was done to that truck was a bully dog power pup,intake and 4 1/2" exhaust and there wasnt a damn thing on the road that could touch it...My X-wife even chewed up an 05ish mustang that the owner thought was untouchable and laughed at me in the store when I told him that the blonde in the dodge on 38"s said she could beat him......should have seen his face after he followed us down the road to catch a light....poor guy never stood a chance......Common rail all the way!Too bad times got tight enough that I gave my truck back to the bank so she could keep our deisel Excursion on 38"s that she ended up getting as a parting gift!.....oh well,at least the 99 that I have now didnt come with a payment book.

yeah after reading all of this i thing the common rail 5.9 is going to be my next ruck im thinking the last possible year wiht a auto in it. is the dodge auto any good by the last year of the 5.9? to bad ford cant just buy a cummins contract.

if ford had cummins it would be a market hey day! fords tranny and truck with the reliable and low rpm power of a cummins.:c:

Yeah, ya cant beat a good 'ol 24v common rail. I dont have serious mods on my truck as I am a bit conservative (See my Signature). But, I do occasionally put that big dually sideways just to show off. Ive gotten stares and thumbs up as well. She's a kick in the butt.

plan on eventually spending some cash on the trans or even better find one that someone has already bit that bullet on.There are plenty of them out there that have already been built to handle the torque that they put out.....just not from the factory,unfortunatly.....mine was starting to gear search at 24k miles......But,I admit I was pretty damn hard on that truck!

Get the last production year 5.9 CR, Suncoast tranny kit.... and you're good to go...

Ok so just because you havnt experienced it means it doesnt happen? Thats pretty ignorant if I do say so myself, my 6.0 hasnt blown headgaskets, my friends 06 hasnt blown headgaskets, my other friends 04 hasnt blown headgaskets....that doesnt mean that they dont do it :argh:

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that is no bueno

I've owned all 3 domestic makes of diesel truck and I must say that I honestly prefer the D Max over the Cummins and 7.3L (naturally aspirated). The dodge was my baby but it cost to much to maintain. It is definitely a true diesel but in comparison to the others the dmax has been the least expensive and I have 300,000k on my 06 GMC 3500 SRW D Max welding rig and 42,000k on my '11 Chev 2500 DMax. I had to replace lift pump. injector pump, cluster problems, lousy tranny etc in the dodge. I sold the dodge and do miss the sound of the dodge and the way it starts so fast in cold weather but the DMax pulls way better than my dodge ever did.
I have my 06 loaded down with full welding equip (Lincoln 300D etc. etc.) and when I have my 32 ft. Travel Trailer hooked up it pulls way better than my dodge ever did without the welding equipment.

I guess you have never seen a built 12v run then as they are deep into the 9's with them and running 8's in trucks. It's all in proper tuning and matching turbo to injectors.

Need i say more?

I'm not ignorant, just saying I've never even heard of it happening. My dad owns 4 of them, 4 guys that work for us all have 6.7s, and my grandpa has another 2 of them. The ones we have at the company pull 10,000 lb Cat skid loaders daily. With how many we all have together, you would think we would've heard about it by now.


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Not talking trash. But I would go with a 6.4. My truck has mods in sig and out weighs most of the dodges and chevy around here and I have yet to be beat by one. Last time I went over the scales the truck weighd well over 9000. Now I have even more tools. And I dont even have a race tune just hot street.

And you spend about tree times the fuel i spend to make the same amount of power ;)

I set the timing at 17 It does run a lot better. It was at 13.5
I have the twins now, but on closer inspection of the motor I have a tiny, tiny external water leak on the side of #6. So this winter I am going to do a gausket and studs, camshaft.
Still trying to decide on what to do to the head as far as porting, and orings.

Transmission is going to need a complete build to:dang: