Diesel Bombers

Diesel Bombers (https://www.dieselbombers.com/)
-   5.9 Liter CR Dodge Cummins 03-07 (https://www.dieselbombers.com/5-9-liter-cr-dodge-cummins-03-07/)
-   -   2 Micron Filter? (https://www.dieselbombers.com/5-9-liter-cr-dodge-cummins-03-07/5703-2-micron-filter.html)

madmanwithmouse 10-17-2007 11:45 PM

2 Micron Filter?
 
Any one know where to get one that fits in the stock housing? If not, has anyone used the 2 micron fither/water separator, with a fass pump? Sure seems to me the dodge has dropped the ball on filtraion seeing how the injectors were made for 2, but yet they have a 7:madd:. I found out the other day that chevy has a 3 in thier turcks. :U: I also heard that dodge is coming out with a 5, but relly .... comon jeesh.:wack:
Link to kit \/
http://www.puredieselpower.com/catal...it-p-1273.html

Wyatt Earp 10-18-2007 09:12 AM

You are correct filtration is the key.
They used to make (I'm sure they still do) a oem drop in element that is 2um.

I'm not sure I would use it though as it will be pricey and will plug quickly which in turn can startve a truck of fuel. Admittedly that is more for a VP44 truck and not yours but I think you see my point.

I have the 144, the 12 and a 6 under the hood on my FASS set up.

madmanwithmouse 10-19-2007 08:29 PM

well im planing on getting a 2micron filther kit then feeding it with a fass pump. Im sick of losing injectors due to abrasion. Shit I just put ALL SIX in, so I want to keep them new.

steved 10-23-2007 10:25 AM

Baldwin makes a 5 micron drop-in filter for our trucks...that's about the best one I have heard of for a while.

I run a HF6604 on the FASS...it is rated at 3 micron, but is actually 99.5% @ 5 micron, 98.6% at 3 micron (absolute), and 95% at 1 micron...and that is at 30 gallons per MINUTE, so it is effectively more efficient at our lower flow rates (95 gallon per HOUR on the FASS 95/150).

I know guys have used Cat filters in the past (1 or 2 micron) with good results...they usually place them between the OE filter and the injection pump. These tend not to affect flow or pressure because they are physically BIG.

The 2 micron Racor filter some guys use on the water separator side of the FASS is not recommended because it isn't designed for suction, and you can starve the FASS...not to mention it is only rated at 90GPH IIRC.

steved

---AutoMerged DoublePost---


Originally Posted by madmanwithmouse (Post 64865)
well im planing on getting a 2micron filther kit then feeding it with a fass pump.


And if you are referring to the Perma-Cool fuel filter, if you read the adds, they trap particles AS SMALL AS 2 micron...even a screen door will catch a 2 micron particle once in a while...

With the HF6604 FASS filter, you would essentially be filtering to around 1 micron, then running it through a 2 micron filter...the second filter wouldn't really do much.

steved

madmanwithmouse 10-23-2007 08:38 PM

Thanks Ill have to look into that.

Larry@DPP 10-26-2007 05:47 PM

Diesel Performance Products (FASS) has the FF-1003 Fuel Filter 3 Micron (Fass 150) for the long filter system and a short filter version coming soon. Also, I spoke with Dan at DPP today about the fact that the systems come out of the box with a filter that is not as fine as the OEM 7 micron and when a guy gets the FASS system the first day he needs to upgrade the filter to match or improve the filtration of the OEM system. He told me that in the near future this will change and they will be including a finer filtration filter than OEM in the kit right out of the box.

Any DPP (FASS / HPFP) dealer should have these on hand for you or be able to get them drop shipped from DPP without any trouble.

Larry

Dr. Evil 10-26-2007 05:54 PM

A definitive answer from the source. Thanks Larry :c:

DangerousDuramax 10-26-2007 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by madmanwithmouse (Post 64269)
Any one know where to get one that fits in the stock housing? If not, has anyone used the 2 micron fither/water separator, with a fass pump? Sure seems to me the dodge has dropped the ball on filtraion seeing how the injectors were made for 2, but yet they have a 7:madd:. I found out the other day that chevy has a 3 in thier turcks. :U: I also heard that dodge is coming out with a 5, but relly .... comon jeesh.:wack:
Link to kit /
http://www.puredieselpower.com/catal...it-p-1273.html


Here ya go.

www.nicktane.com

And yes, it can be modified to fit the Dodge. Several have already done it. :U:

madmanwithmouse 10-26-2007 10:32 PM

humm...

I run a HF6604 on the FASS...it is rated at 3 micron, but is actually 99.5% @ 5 micron, 98.6% at 3 micron (absolute), and 95% at 1 micron...and that is at 30 gallons per MINUTE, so it is effectively more efficient at our lower flow rates (95 gallon per HOUR on the FASS 95/150).
In that case I might just go with a complete fass system.


I know guys have used Cat filters in the past (1 or 2 micron) with good results...they usually place them between the OE filter and the injection pump. These tend not to affect flow or pressure because they are physically BIG.
I was thinking of useing a case IH filther for a 9370 but, havent been able to find the specs yet.


The 2 micron Racor filter some guys use on the water separator side of the FASS is not recommended because it isn't designed for suction, and you can starve the FASS...not to mention it is only rated at 90GPH IIRC.
The fass setup has the filthers on the suction side?

The guy at the shop where they replaced my injectors told me that the fass system bypasses the stock filther.?! Also that to make sure to order it with the 5micron filther other wise it would come with a 10. Does anyone know the specs of the mount thread size, O-ring dimeter, ect...?

Larry@DPP 10-27-2007 09:35 AM

Teh FASS system has the water seperater first, the fuel filter second, and the pump third. The filters are on the suction side. You cant really order a FASS system with a 5 micron because they are packaged with the FF-1010. Your dealer may be able to get a different filter in the box if he special orders that way with Dan, but I've never tried that one with him.

Yes, the FASS system completely elliminates the OEM filter. The fuel lines go from tank to FASS system, go from FASS system to injection pump. Your OEM fuel line that goes from the filter to the injection pump will be laying there dead beside where your blue rubber line from the FASS system goes into the new banjo bolt. You gain a vent line into the fuel tank...... the old fuel supply line.

Larry

NoPlugs06CTD 10-27-2007 12:32 PM

Hey madmanwithmouse.

Have you looked at the GDP 2-micron filtration setup? While it does not have a water separator, it is a nice fuel filter system. Richard has installation information on his site.

http://www.glacierdieselpower.com

I installed this system on my truck, also got the big line kit when I got the 2-micron filter. It is doing it's job, I have had NO problems with injectors. Goes in-line between the stock fuel filter canister and the cp3.

Just another option. I do not live where there is a lot of moisture in the fuel, in fact have never gotten water when draining off the stock canister. I like being able to catch the 7-micron particles with the stock canister and then all that remains are the smaller particles for the 2-micron filter.

madmanwithmouse 10-27-2007 02:21 PM

ya I found the http://www.glacierdieselpower.com setup, but I didnt see the specs, thanks. I wonder how it would work with a say 10micron before the pump, then a 1-2micron filther after it. Also theres not alot if moisture here, but ive had to drain water from a truck once and a few tractors.

steved 10-31-2007 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by madmanwithmouse (Post 66944)
ya I found the http://www.glacierdieselpower.com setup, but I didnt see the specs, thanks. I wonder how it would work with a say 10micron before the pump, then a 1-2micron filther after it. Also theres not alot if moisture here, but ive had to drain water from a truck once and a few tractors.


The reason you don't see moisture is because of the system's design...

Having the pump UPSTREAM of the filter is bad. As water-laden fuel hits the pump, it is emulsified. The emulsified fuel/water then enters the fuel filter where it simply passes the filter media and heads for the engine.

I ran a little experiment with my Aux tank that proved that (I run a similar type pump), I can set it to a circulating system...it was set up as tank-pump-water knockout-filter-tank. A little water turned 6 gallons of diesel into a big yellow foamy mess that passed right through a true water-separating filter (FS1251, advertised like it might be similar to a Racor). After I figured it out, I reversed the lines (tank-water knockout-pump-filter-tank) and caught all but a little bit of that water after a few days...it took about 4 days for the emulsified fuel to finally start to "un" emulsify.

Just a little FYI for those of you thinking you run "dry" fuel.

I caught more water with my FASS on my 2004.5 in the first month I owned it than I ever saw in my 99 in over 200k. The FASS is set up correctly...water separator-pump-filter...it catches water. Now I have my aux tank and knockout...I very rarely see any water in the FASS because I prefilter ALL my fuel before it hits my main tank.

And as an added bonus, I have seen a trend in the ULSD that seems to indicate it might be hygroscopic. Since I have been running it, I'm seeing a lot more water, especially in the winter.

steved

dieselburner 12-31-2007 04:28 PM

I like living where the humidity is almost always low... Never had any water in my filters - even on my old 12V which didn't have a intank fuel pump.

steved 01-02-2008 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Larry@DPP (Post 66905)
The filters are on the suction side.
Larry


Umm, the water separator is on the suction side, the particulate is on the pressure side if I'm not mistaken???

I loosened the particulate filter to get a prime, it barfed fuel out all over before I got the filter tightened.

steved

---AutoMerged DoublePost---


Originally Posted by dieselburner (Post 95937)
I like living where the humidity is almost always low... Never had any water in my filters - even on my old 12V which didn't have a intank fuel pump.


But your lift pump is still between the tank and filter...I wasn't talking 3rd gen in general.

steved

NoPlugs06CTD 01-02-2008 06:37 PM

Just in case anyone needs the part number for the Baldwin 5-micron filter that goes in the factory canister I thought I'd add it to this thread. Baldwin P/N PF7977.

I buy them by the case at http://www.bfwebexpress.com/catalog.asp

NP


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:01 PM.


© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands