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cumminsdzlfan 03-20-2012 08:14 PM

nozzles or complete injectors?
 
I've looked around on here before and it seemed everyone has a different opinion on this but I didn't feel like looking through all the posts that mention injectors and nozzles to find out. I'm not really wanting huge amounts of power just 40-60 hp more or so depending on the prices. I've seen that some people like the RV275's but those would only be 30 over stock. What kind of difference would they make? And does it matter that i have an HO motor? What do you guys think?

Diesel Dawgs Performance 03-20-2012 08:29 PM

I'd go with a set of full 100hp injectors. I prefer Big Dawgs :)

Luke

cumminsdzlfan 03-20-2012 08:42 PM

would i need to upgrade my turbo to run those?

Diesel Dawgs Performance 03-20-2012 08:56 PM

Nope....

Luke

cumminsdzlfan 03-20-2012 09:00 PM

So no excessive smoke or high egt's pulling a 15-18k trailer?

Diesel Dawgs Performance 03-20-2012 09:24 PM

You running anything like an edge comp or programmer?

Luke

cumminsdzlfan 03-20-2012 10:55 PM

bone stock right now. possible programmer in the future though.

Diesel Dawgs Performance 03-20-2012 11:21 PM

You will be fine.

Luke

cumminsdzlfan 03-21-2012 05:17 PM

ok. thanks

01quadcab 03-22-2012 01:13 AM


Originally Posted by Diesel Dawgs Performance (Post 873769)
I'd go with a set of full 100hp injectors. I prefer Big Dawgs :)

Luke

ok this is a forum for people asking help and it bothers me your so quick to sell your parts every time. why not offer up a size injector that would be good then let them ask where to get them. It's like watching a car salesmen. I see this way too much.

Diesel Dawgs Performance 03-22-2012 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by 01quadcab (Post 874374)
ok this is a forum for people asking help and it bothers me your so quick to sell your parts every time. why not offer up a size injector that would be good then let them ask where to get them. It's like watching a car salesmen. I see this way too much.

^^ where is your advise for him??

I just told him I prefer our injectors. Doesn't mean he is required to buy them or even buy from me.

Luke

01quadcab 03-22-2012 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Diesel Dawgs Performance (Post 874412)
^^ where is your advise for him??

I just told him I prefer our injectors. Doesn't mean he is required to buy them or even buy from me.

Luke

who else sells big dawg injectors? You jump all over the forums and recommend your brand. This is not a vendor forum it's a dodge forum.

As for my advise to him I would do a new injector around 75hp over stock. You still want to be able to drive it and tow. You will not get the full range out of the injector till you add a edge or similar timing box to the mix. anything over 75hp and you will be driving more by pyrometer than you would like. Been there done that.

Diesel Dawgs Performance 03-22-2012 09:27 PM

So now people shouldn't recommend brands?? I'd rather recommend something than to see him spend his money on junk.

If you don't like or agree with what I post then don't read it. Sponsors are here to help people. Part of helping people are to point them in the right direction.


Luke

cumminsdzlfan 03-22-2012 09:45 PM

thanks. I've been checking around and he has some of the cheaper injectors for the HP rating, but I've also found a few threads where folks have gotten high egts with just 75 HP injectors. I can't really afford to buy a turbo or or anything else for that matter and i really don't want to have to fix anything else.

Diesel Dawgs Performance 03-22-2012 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by cumminsdzlfan (Post 874700)
thanks. I've been checking around and he has some of the cheaper injectors for the HP rating, but I've also found a few threads where folks have gotten high egts with just 75 HP injectors. I can't really afford to buy a turbo or or anything else for that matter and i really don't want to have to fix anything else.

Your money would probably be better spent on an Edge EZ or something similar.

Luke

cumminsdzlfan 03-22-2012 11:02 PM

alright thanks

RollinCoal99 03-23-2012 05:18 PM

running 200hp injectors on stock turbo... as long as you dont beat it watch the pyro and boost you wont pop the head or blow the turbo so 100hp inj is fine will work good when you do a lift pump upgrade and programmer

01 cummmins 03-27-2012 07:31 AM

if your looking for something small and cheap and easily install my dad just got a diablo power puck and he loves it, i ran the power puck for a while with my pipe i loved it as well its like $165 from any site, and it plugs into your map sensor and data connector all he does with his 02 4x4 is tow and comute, the diablo keeps him content, i switched to the smarty but i got a good deal on it too

cumminsdzlfan 03-27-2012 05:37 PM

Which do you like better the diablo power puck or the smarty?

chad83181 03-28-2012 08:03 PM

Sorry to hijack,but last I knew of to get your name in blue, you had to sponsor. Therefore that being said you have the RIGHT to advertise, because you paid for it. I think any smart and good vendor such as Luke of DIESEL DAWGS has paid his dues to do such!!! Sorry but WTF??:w2: Thanks again DIESEL DAWGS:c: So he should try to market his Injectors nobody said they were the best, but they are a quality product.

pimba24 03-29-2012 07:58 PM

What kind of tranny set up auto or manual? This will play a role in your search. I wouldn't recommend putting any set of injectors in something with an auto trans. These trans are known to be the "weak link" in dodges. If you do have an auto i'd just run a tuner such as a smarty or edge until you get a beefed up tranny to handle the power. Just my two sense but i'd rather be driving my truck then sitting along the road cause I blew my tranny.

cumminsdzlfan 03-29-2012 11:29 PM

It's a six speed.

RollinCoal99 03-30-2012 01:30 PM

sense its a 6 speed get 150hp injectors... you will be happy

empty wallet 03-30-2012 02:10 PM

What transmission you have has absolutley no bearing on what injectors you should run... you can slip a clutch on 5 or 6 speed tranny just as easy as you can the converter on an auto. You need a pusher pump first, and gauges, or a programmer that displays fuel psi, boost, and exhaust temp.

Do what you want, but what 01quadcab said is right on, anything too big will get hot in a hurry. I ran 150's on an hx35 for a while, 1500+ degrees @ WOT easily.

HAMMERTIME 03-30-2012 03:06 PM

Don't mean to get off topic but the title of the thread caught my eye and i want to know if getting nozzles is good enough or complete injectors?

cumminsdzlfan 03-30-2012 04:47 PM

well lift pump and gauges are in the works but i also want a little more power for towing. I'm overseas right now so the truck is parked. I'm trying to figure out what I'm gonna do when i get home.

pimba24 03-30-2012 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by empty wallet (Post 877555)
What transmission you have has absolutley no bearing on what injectors you should run... you can slip a clutch on 5 or 6 speed tranny just as easy as you can the converter on an auto. You need a pusher pump first, and gauges, or a programmer that displays fuel psi, boost, and exhaust temp.

Do what you want, but what 01quadcab said is right on, anything too big will get hot in a hurry. I ran 150's on an hx35 for a while, 1500+ degrees @ WOT easily.


I'm pretty sure it does if your not looking to spend the money on doing anything to your drive train. And 1500+ for a period of time? I'm pretty sure anything over 1250 or higher for a period of time your starting to cook your valve train.

chad83181 03-31-2012 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by HAMMERTIME (Post 877574)
Don't mean to get off topic but the title of the thread caught my eye and i want to know if getting nozzles is good enough or complete injectors?

If you do nozzles they have to be flow tested and have pop pressures set. New injectors have already had this done and are ready to install, that being said it normally takes a shop longer to do nozzles cause of flow test and pop pressures than it takes you to change injectors yourself or having a shop do it


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