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painters repair 03-04-2012 07:32 PM

wont start without using starting fluid
 
:humm:some one brought me a truck that has already had lift pump' computer' intake heater' fuel heater' filter' injectors' whats the problem????

empty wallet 03-04-2012 07:40 PM

Won't crank or won't fire? And I hope they aren't spraying ether in the turbo :argh:

Is it throwing any codes? What's fuel pressure? How do fluids look?

wildbill 03-04-2012 07:42 PM

What year truck? If it's the 03, high pressure fuel leak. If it's the 98.5-02, VP44. :ouch:

DieselWeasel 03-04-2012 07:43 PM

Is it the 03 in your profile? If so you may have better luck in the 03-07 CR section...

I was going to say OH NO starting fluid + grid heater = explosion.... BUT i dunno if CR trucks have heaters?

jedder21 03-04-2012 07:49 PM

you say it wont start w/o ether i assume it will run how much blowby does it have or maybe an upstream leak in your fuel system sucking air you say new pump did you check the fittings just to make sure it doesnt take much

mysterync 03-04-2012 07:58 PM

Seriously????
First of all if this is a vp truck has there been a fuel pressure check or any diagnosis of the vp? Did we really just talk about using starting fluid and not mention disconnecting the grid heater? Lol I've never used starter fluid too much, there's really never a reason if its diagnosed correctly.

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DieselWeasel 03-04-2012 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by mysterync (Post 867082)
Seriously????

Did we really just talk about using starting fluid and not mention disconnecting the grid heater?

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I mentioned it LOL!

painters repair 03-04-2012 08:24 PM

you can roll it off and it will crank they just brought it to me the engin is fine i told them the worst thing they done was use ether!!!! they repl aced everything i havent had a chance to go behind there work and check behind them just didnt know if yall had seen this before.
:argh:

H.R.D 03-04-2012 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by DieselWeasel (Post 867069)
Is it the 03 in your profile? If so you may have better luck in the 03-07 CR section...

I was going to say OH NO starting fluid + grid heater = explosion.... BUT i dunno if CR trucks have heaters?

Yes CR's have grid heaters,stock anyway. :c:

I would agree with air getting into the fuel system or maybe a bad check valve letting the pressure drop in the line causing hard start/no start.

painters repair 03-04-2012 08:32 PM

thanks where is the check valve??:ouch::s:

H.R.D 03-04-2012 08:42 PM

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Here you go.....(below):c:

mysterync 03-04-2012 08:47 PM

Just realized we are in the VP Section....
Fuel Pressure Needs to be Min. 10 PSI Volume, I would say atleast 400mL in 10 seconds.
A weak overflow will usually cause pressure to never build and normally are detected after lift pump replacement.
A Cracked Tank Module will cause issues starting occasionally but generally if there is a issue its generally near the lift pump in a factory application. So check your tubing and hoses there.
Connector tube o-rings are the next most common cause I've got the part numbers if you need them.
We use a clear tube at fuel inlet to verify no loss of prime. Then Test the VP-44 as a stand alone, and see if the issue is still present, if so replace the vp.

I wouldn't hesitate for one second calling it a failed injection pump. I would say in 30 Minutes - 1 hour you could have it determined if the pump should be replaced. One additional note, have you cracked injector lines on 1,3,4 and 5 and cranking for 30 seconds and seeing if fuel is present?

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Originally Posted by DieselWeasel (Post 867084)
I mentioned it LOL!

lol I skim over and make stupid comments some times. my bad :c:

painters repair 03-04-2012 09:02 PM

thanks i will check those next and keep yall posted. :c::bombin:


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