injectors first?
 

what are the advantages of changing injectors or should i just do the chip first? just looking to kick it up a notch a little at a time just want to do it right the first time

you want injectors first, better flowing injectors will hold better when the chip adds more fuel to the truck.. heres how i would go, new fuel pump(FASS or AIRDOG) injectors and then chip.

your fass 95 is good enough to handle 100hp injectors i would do that first, then chip

100 hp are small, id get the biggest I could find for a 24v

I don't think he needs 300hp+ injectors. 100-150 would work great.

Luke

haha well I personally wouldnt use anything smaller than 200's or so. I dont see much gain in them. Im not sure why companies even offer anything below 100 or why people buy them, waste of money in my opinion. You can make alot of power with a cr using small nozzles but, look how many people are running the bigger 300 plus ones. for a 24v id go big injectors so I can keep the fuelling box turned down a bit and not tax my vp so much. higher tunes equals more pump duty cycle wich creates more heat in the pump module.

millerboyz... i am looking at getting new injectors for my 24v...i never thought about keeping the duty cycle down by using bigger hp sticks. it seems to make sense. but i also know that i couldnt keep the chip down. for long.

millerboyzdiesel, you sound like a dumb ass.

OP i would deffinately go with injectors first. what you use your truck for will determine what size injectors i would suggest. i had 150s in my 99 before i dropped a valve. hauling 10k the egts would top out around 1450 on a hard pull. if you pull alot, i would go with 100 hp injectors.

Im with Big Ed on this. I personally am running 6x0.018s in my 2001 and they are roughly 250-300 hp injectors and they are hard on stock vp pumps and you need something like a hot rod vp or a dragon fire to run those injectors. The most fun I had with my truck was when I had my SPS 62 from IIS, 125 hp injectors, and a edge juice with a good lift pump. And the truck still got great mileage pulled like a son of a gun and ran like a dream. I put the big injectors in trying to make power and now I am actually considering going back to smaller than 200's to make it more drivable and gain some towing ability back.

Do you even know anything about a Diesel?

Luke

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nah sure dont man, never even changed spark plugs in one. :bat: to each his own run whatever you want but for me im sticking to big injectors, im not worried about egts drivability, etc. these trucks are toys and I get to play all day. I dont want to here from the poor guys that cant afford to get power up reliably. Im playing in a different ball game here. Take your budget pulling trucks and overloaded underpowered overheating tow trucks somewhere else. This is a big money market and if you aint got the money to play keep it stock and let your wife go get groceries in it.

Are you really that juvenile and ignorant? throwing big ass parts into a truck is not building reliable power and you got alot to learn

$20 says he drives a Hemi or isn't even old enough to drive.

Luke

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"I remember my first beer"

Im with you bud!:c:

Your reliability comes directly from your tuning. Big parts make big power and nothing lasts forever at high hp levels. All im saying is you shouldnt rely on a box, programer, chip, etc. to make the power you want. Make more use of hard parts and use less electronics. There are so many people stacking electronics on trucks and putting all that stress on their stock parts. If you wana tow heavy loads all the time get a class 8 or midliner. I dont understand why you would wana go backwards and go smaller to control egts or drivability. I say have a plan and choose the parts that will get you to the power level youre after. The guys that work their trucks 9 times out of 10 want it stock, they dont wana hear nothing about performance. I get tired of seeing these trucks come in with a bunch of cobbled together junk on them with stock turbos small hp increase injectors and electronics to the gills doin nothing more than puttin on a smoke show.

Someone needs schooling on a 24v lol
Maybe needs to be schooled in common sense as well.

why cant you have power and reliabilty???? thats what im shooting for a daily driver that i can tug the sled on the weekend if i wanna

I've made some impressive numbers on a vp and while there is a good happy median there, if you push out of that median power wise the truck isn't a daily driver. Between providing enough air for egt control, while controlling smoke and long spool up times, you find yourself looking for something that you can actually drive and enjoy. I ran a set of mach 6's , that's almost to much to daily drive with a big charger and towing was out of the question with a single. Secondly, drivetrain issues will quickly appear, no matter how much you spend the bottom line is the drivetrain was never designed for the added power levels.
The reality is, unless you have a fortune, big power probably isn't for you. If you feel it is, give it a few years and thousands of dollars and tell me you feel the same.
However if a reasonable setup, with fuel and air delivery tailored to one another, and build the truck with common sense you will find a truck that's not smoking the road up all the time, can pull something more than a pushmower and isn't on the wrong end of the shop/drive ratio.
If you disagree I'll have to title you moron,newbie or possibly under the age of 20.

Rotfl. It will seem like its happening for a while, then you will find its either a dedicated competition truck, or your trying to give it away because its a ragged out truck with sloppy drivetrain.

all right then. aside from the disagreements... i guess everyone has their own views, but i am fairly new, dont tow much and use the truck as a toy most of they time. just asking questions. thats all.

If you tow much I wouldn't go over 100hp injector on a VP44 truck with a stock Turbo.

Luke

im not sure about Ebbtide, but i am thinking of upgrading the turbo as well...a little more boost and to keep the egt's down. i just dont wanna have to buy multiple sets if i can help it. It is just a matter of time and getting the cash past my wife to hop up a truck that she hates.

i would go with a set of 100-150 hp injectors. anything bigger and you would need a larger turbo.

could you use the 150's with a bigger turbo?? or would they be too small once i upgraded? i am thinking bigger single...no compound setup or anything.:humm:

Depends on the turbo and how you use your truck.

Luke

A good 150 horse can get right at 450-500 to the tires and works great with a 62 or 64.

with a lil bigger turbo, i still wouldnt go with anything over a 150 unless your planning on sled puling/drag racing constantly with it. but thats just my opion. and you know what they say bout opions, ther like butt holes, everyone has one.

i try and listen to everyones opinion big ed! You never learn anything if you dont listen, and i needs some learnin.

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now by 62 or 64 you guys are talking about the compressor side of the turbo? i only kinda know the names of the turbos not the sizes.

yes the compressor side. a 62/65 is a good, fast spooling charger for a DD truck that pulls every once in awhile. a 64/65 spools a little slower, but can still tow. if you would like to talk on the phone more bout it, give me a call at the shop sometime.

WOW.... this trucks a daily driver takes some trips up to mountains on the weekends tows the boat occasionally in the summer just want a little more power truck gets up and goes pretty good not gonna be pulling sleds or anything like that just want more power im gonna put bhaf this week any ideas? its a nice looking truck just need some more go.:choochoo:as far as chips go still looking at all options and opinions{and theres alot}checking into new turbos and intakes just want a kickass truck thats reliable that i can get in and take a trip or just cruise around in just want some more go.i know about the problems of putting to much hp in the 24 valve vp trucks but willing to take the risk. a good friend owns a tranny shop so thats a plus i guess. got the fuel gauge and fass 95 4inch mbpr with muffler 6 inch tip its a project in the works i guess.just learning something new everyday on this site