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empty wallet 11-20-2011 08:40 PM

dolla_hite summerized it perfectly... You need a VP44, and you wouldn't get check engine light from any pump-related problems. I see your truck is "stock" and if that is the case, you need a VP44, a pusher pump such as fass, airdog, or raptor, and a fuel pressure gauge (in order to avoid this expensive headache in the future.)

As far as APPS voltage, if you remove the apps housing you will see the factory voltage labeled on the barcode, it varies by year, mine is .502 and when the apps voltage gets too low you could see prolonged dead pedal, or even inability to rev over 1500 rpm's. You should reset the voltage to spec and go from there, but 0216 code means you need a vp44, theres just no 2 ways of looking at it, your pump is shot.

jackmccarron 11-21-2011 01:37 PM

I spoke with a well-respected local diesel injection service place and described my symptoms. He says he does NOT think it's a lift or injection pump issue since the problem disappears when I shut the engine off and immediately restart. Says it sounds instead like an electrical problem, like a sensor or the ECM.

You may be right about the vp44, but I'm hoping not. ($$$)

Trouble is, I don't really know how to proceed to check out all the possible sensore that feed the ECM, and the ECM itself.

Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Jack

dolla_hite 11-21-2011 07:11 PM

my pumps going out and has been since july. but mine acts up more once its hot

jackmccarron 11-21-2011 07:52 PM

Hi Dolla hite - Do you have code 0216? Is your MIL light on?

When my dead pedal problem isn't happening I have no problem with good acceleration or high rpms at all. Tranny shifts normally too.

I just had my codes cleared today. Waiting to see if 0216 shows up again tomorrow AM when the temp should be low enuf (below freezing) to cause my dead pedal again. So far it's still cleared after driving home on the hiway at 40 degrees F.

Thanks,
Jack

pukie370 11-21-2011 09:16 PM

you need new vp44. for some reason the dead pedle and temp workes together. i was 400 miles from home when mine started. after an hour of turning off ignition to make truck run i figured out it was cold that started dead pedal. i put cardboard in front of radiator and no more problems.

bludodge21111 11-22-2011 02:34 PM

Ive had the same problem and the other guys are right its most likely the injection pump, especially because you have a stock pusher pump and no guage. Mine acted the same no engine light, 0216 code, only did it when cold and ran great once it was warm. My IP was bad got a new one installed yesterday and im picking up tomorrow. Ill let you know if it fixed it.

Good Luck

dolla_hite 11-22-2011 07:27 PM

yes i have the code but no light

jackmccarron 11-23-2011 08:12 AM

Pukie, thsnks. Yours is the first case I've heard of associating the dead pedal with cold temps and with engine restart. Did all your issues vanish when you replaced your vp44? Did you change anything else at the same time?

After resetting my codes the night before, yesterday morning I reverified that I had no codes. Then I left home (with temps below freezing), and it took about a mile (and 5 minutes) before my dead pedal showed up again. I pulled over and checked my codes again - 0213 was back again. After restarting, the truck ran great all day, so I'd say the dead pedal is definitely associated with the 0213 code.

Jack

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Sorry, I meant 0216 code. Looking more and more like an injection pump, although I don't want to admit that!

Horns 11-23-2011 08:35 AM

Time for a P Pump :D

jackmccarron 11-23-2011 09:07 AM

Hey BluDodge21111 - Do you have your truck running again yet? Problem gone (cold)?

How did you "know" it was your ip causing the problem? Is there a way to test the ip itself without "putting it in a freezer" for the test??

Were you able to eliminate the ECM and sensors as the source of the problem before you opened your wallet for the ip?

I"m still mystified that my diesel injection shop guy thinks it's NOT the ip, but rather an electrical problem.

fullOfQustions,
Jack


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